[NCSG-PC] GNSO SSC - Naveed and Raymond

Sun Oct 17 10:11:49 EEST 2021

I support that also,

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 7:57 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Support that !
>
> On Fri 15. Oct 2021 at 21:54, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you all so much for the responses.
>> There seems to be consensus that conflict of interest does indeed exist,
>> but differences in approaches as to how we deal with it. I would like to go
>> with Stephanie's suggestion which is to send the call out on the list since
>> the positions are 1 year appointments and are now due. My rationale is that
>> it allows us to vet all the candidates again, including new candidates,
>> based on the values of NCSG which is within our remit.
>> Unless anyone objects to this approach, I will put out the call for
>> volunteers on Monday.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tomslin
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 00:56, Jacqueline Morris <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all
>>> I agree that there are differences in position, and that will cause
>>> conflict of interests.
>>> There's also an issue from the ALAC side - ALAC members are proscribed
>>> from holding certain positions in other stakeholder groups. I can't
>>> remember the details, but it can be checked.
>>> Jacqueline A. Morris
>>> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
>>> Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:15 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Tomslin for bring this issue to the table. My apologies if I'm
>>>> responding late. My family is blessed with a beautiful baby girl, so I've
>>>> been trying to support couple with workload.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Stephanie 100%. There is this syndrome in ICANN
>>>> environment where people wear many hats belonging to different stakeholder
>>>> groups. There abound conflicts of interest even if it is not glaring.
>>>>
>>>> I would say that we need to have a reasonable conversation with these
>>>> fellows of possible issues that could arise wearing many hats in the areas
>>>> of policy and branding.
>>>>
>>>> As a REP on the SSC, I confirmed what stephanie said. The role is non
>>>> technical and demand less hours of participation. It requires soft skills
>>>> with good judgment and evaluation skills. Although, it can get intense when
>>>> having two to three assignments with a pressing deadline. However, it is
>>>> something we can get our members to participate and experience.
>>>>
>>>> This community need people that are absolutely committed to non
>>>> commercial objectives.This is a very sensitive matter and we need to manage
>>>> it in a diplomatic manner that will prevent tensions and people digging out
>>>> the ICANN charter.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>> Akinremi
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 14 Oct. 2021, 8:42 pm Stephanie E Perrin, <
>>>> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I suggest you send it out to the list again, emphasizing that these
>>>>> positions have a very low workload, no technical expertise required, just
>>>>> the ability to make good appointment decisions.  Thank the two volunteers
>>>>> for being willing to continue, but indicate that it is not really fair to
>>>>> ask them to represent NCSG while performing key roles for ALAC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe someone will turn up if you beg.  I will work over a couple of
>>>>> candidates.  Really, NCSG is going from beached whale status to rotting
>>>>> carcass if we cannot get someone to perform this role.
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers Steph
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-10-13 3:30 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you Stephanie. I agree and it is my personal opinion too that
>>>>> there is an inherent conflict of interest due to the tensions we've been
>>>>> having with ALAC. But since there is no explicit guidance in the charter, I
>>>>> wanted a collective decision by the PC on this. So I request members to
>>>>> express their views please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 04:42, Stephanie E Perrin <
>>>>> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I think there is a problem.  I understand that there is nothing
>>>>>> in the Charter that precludes dual representation.  However, we are in
>>>>>> tension with ALAC in various areas, notably in their approach to the EPDP
>>>>>> and the ACs' role in policy development.  This is an appointments
>>>>>> committee....are ALAC representatives going to object to business members
>>>>>> who are prominent in ALAC being chosen for roles? seems like a conflict of
>>>>>> interest to me, one has to choose an allegiance and stick to it.  I am an
>>>>>> ALAC NA member, but I do nothing with ALAC except try to promote better
>>>>>> relationships with them, as long as I am performing in an NCSG role.  I
>>>>>> think this is the appropriate response, obviously, but I would like to hear
>>>>>> someone defend these reappointments on conflict of interest principles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We must be dying if we cannot find new reps for this committee.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers Steph
>>>>>> On 2021-10-12 3:58 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear PC,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As you know, the GNSO Standing Selection Committee (SSC) is due for
>>>>>> refresh as they do annually after the AGM. *Naveed Bin Rais* and *Raymond
>>>>>> Mamattah*, two of our current representatives to the SSC, both of
>>>>>> whom have been selected by the NomCom to serve as ALAC members representing
>>>>>> their regions at the end of ICANN72 are also both eligible to serve a
>>>>>> second term as NCSG appointed members to the GNSO SSC and are willing to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question to you is, do you think their situation poses any
>>>>>> conflict of interest to NCSG, noting that I can't recall any specific
>>>>>> provision in our charter which prevents them from serving in both roles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>>
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