[NCSG-PC] GNSO SSC - Naveed and Raymond

Fri Oct 15 22:57:30 EEST 2021

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On Fri 15. Oct 2021 at 21:54, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thank you all so much for the responses.
> There seems to be consensus that conflict of interest does indeed exist,
> but differences in approaches as to how we deal with it. I would like to go
> with Stephanie's suggestion which is to send the call out on the list since
> the positions are 1 year appointments and are now due. My rationale is that
> it allows us to vet all the candidates again, including new candidates,
> based on the values of NCSG which is within our remit.
> Unless anyone objects to this approach, I will put out the call for
> volunteers on Monday.
>
> Regards,
> Tomslin
>
>
> On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 00:56, Jacqueline Morris <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all
>> I agree that there are differences in position, and that will cause
>> conflict of interests.
>> There's also an issue from the ALAC side - ALAC members are proscribed
>> from holding certain positions in other stakeholder groups. I can't
>> remember the details, but it can be checked.
>> Jacqueline A. Morris
>> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
>> Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:15 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> Thanks Tomslin for bring this issue to the table. My apologies if I'm
>>> responding late. My family is blessed with a beautiful baby girl, so I've
>>> been trying to support couple with workload.
>>>
>>> I agree with Stephanie 100%. There is this syndrome in ICANN environment
>>> where people wear many hats belonging to different stakeholder groups.
>>> There abound conflicts of interest even if it is not glaring.
>>>
>>> I would say that we need to have a reasonable conversation with these
>>> fellows of possible issues that could arise wearing many hats in the areas
>>> of policy and branding.
>>>
>>> As a REP on the SSC, I confirmed what stephanie said. The role is non
>>> technical and demand less hours of participation. It requires soft skills
>>> with good judgment and evaluation skills. Although, it can get intense when
>>> having two to three assignments with a pressing deadline. However, it is
>>> something we can get our members to participate and experience.
>>>
>>> This community need people that are absolutely committed to non
>>> commercial objectives.This is a very sensitive matter and we need to manage
>>> it in a diplomatic manner that will prevent tensions and people digging out
>>> the ICANN charter.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>> Akinremi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 14 Oct. 2021, 8:42 pm Stephanie E Perrin, <
>>> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I suggest you send it out to the list again, emphasizing that these
>>>> positions have a very low workload, no technical expertise required, just
>>>> the ability to make good appointment decisions.  Thank the two volunteers
>>>> for being willing to continue, but indicate that it is not really fair to
>>>> ask them to represent NCSG while performing key roles for ALAC.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe someone will turn up if you beg.  I will work over a couple of
>>>> candidates.  Really, NCSG is going from beached whale status to rotting
>>>> carcass if we cannot get someone to perform this role.
>>>>
>>>> cheers Steph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2021-10-13 3:30 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you Stephanie. I agree and it is my personal opinion too that
>>>> there is an inherent conflict of interest due to the tensions we've been
>>>> having with ALAC. But since there is no explicit guidance in the charter, I
>>>> wanted a collective decision by the PC on this. So I request members to
>>>> express their views please.
>>>>
>>>> Tomslin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 04:42, Stephanie E Perrin <
>>>> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes I think there is a problem.  I understand that there is nothing in
>>>>> the Charter that precludes dual representation.  However, we are in tension
>>>>> with ALAC in various areas, notably in their approach to the EPDP and the
>>>>> ACs' role in policy development.  This is an appointments committee....are
>>>>> ALAC representatives going to object to business members who are prominent
>>>>> in ALAC being chosen for roles? seems like a conflict of interest to me,
>>>>> one has to choose an allegiance and stick to it.  I am an ALAC NA member,
>>>>> but I do nothing with ALAC except try to promote better relationships with
>>>>> them, as long as I am performing in an NCSG role.  I think this is the
>>>>> appropriate response, obviously, but I would like to hear someone defend
>>>>> these reappointments on conflict of interest principles.
>>>>>
>>>>> We must be dying if we cannot find new reps for this committee.
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers Steph
>>>>> On 2021-10-12 3:58 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear PC,
>>>>>
>>>>> As you know, the GNSO Standing Selection Committee (SSC) is due for
>>>>> refresh as they do annually after the AGM. *Naveed Bin Rais* and *Raymond
>>>>> Mamattah*, two of our current representatives to the SSC, both of
>>>>> whom have been selected by the NomCom to serve as ALAC members representing
>>>>> their regions at the end of ICANN72 are also both eligible to serve a
>>>>> second term as NCSG appointed members to the GNSO SSC and are willing to.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question to you is, do you think their situation poses any conflict
>>>>> of interest to NCSG, noting that I can't recall any specific provision in
>>>>> our charter which prevents them from serving in both roles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>
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