[NCSG-PC] GNSO SSC - Naveed and Raymond

Fri Oct 15 22:54:05 EEST 2021

Thank you all so much for the responses.
There seems to be consensus that conflict of interest does indeed exist,
but differences in approaches as to how we deal with it. I would like to go
with Stephanie's suggestion which is to send the call out on the list since
the positions are 1 year appointments and are now due. My rationale is that
it allows us to vet all the candidates again, including new candidates,
based on the values of NCSG which is within our remit.
Unless anyone objects to this approach, I will put out the call for
volunteers on Monday.

Regards,
Tomslin

On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 00:56, Jacqueline Morris <jam at jacquelinemorris.com>
wrote:

> Dear all
> I agree that there are differences in position, and that will cause
> conflict of interests.
> There's also an issue from the ALAC side - ALAC members are proscribed
> from holding certain positions in other stakeholder groups. I can't
> remember the details, but it can be checked.
> Jacqueline A. Morris
> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
> Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:15 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Thanks Tomslin for bring this issue to the table. My apologies if I'm
>> responding late. My family is blessed with a beautiful baby girl, so I've
>> been trying to support couple with workload.
>>
>> I agree with Stephanie 100%. There is this syndrome in ICANN environment
>> where people wear many hats belonging to different stakeholder groups.
>> There abound conflicts of interest even if it is not glaring.
>>
>> I would say that we need to have a reasonable conversation with these
>> fellows of possible issues that could arise wearing many hats in the areas
>> of policy and branding.
>>
>> As a REP on the SSC, I confirmed what stephanie said. The role is non
>> technical and demand less hours of participation. It requires soft skills
>> with good judgment and evaluation skills. Although, it can get intense when
>> having two to three assignments with a pressing deadline. However, it is
>> something we can get our members to participate and experience.
>>
>> This community need people that are absolutely committed to non
>> commercial objectives.This is a very sensitive matter and we need to manage
>> it in a diplomatic manner that will prevent tensions and people digging out
>> the ICANN charter.
>>
>> Regards.
>> Akinremi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Oct. 2021, 8:42 pm Stephanie E Perrin, <
>> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I suggest you send it out to the list again, emphasizing that these
>>> positions have a very low workload, no technical expertise required, just
>>> the ability to make good appointment decisions.  Thank the two volunteers
>>> for being willing to continue, but indicate that it is not really fair to
>>> ask them to represent NCSG while performing key roles for ALAC.
>>>
>>> Maybe someone will turn up if you beg.  I will work over a couple of
>>> candidates.  Really, NCSG is going from beached whale status to rotting
>>> carcass if we cannot get someone to perform this role.
>>>
>>> cheers Steph
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2021-10-13 3:30 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Stephanie. I agree and it is my personal opinion too that
>>> there is an inherent conflict of interest due to the tensions we've been
>>> having with ALAC. But since there is no explicit guidance in the charter, I
>>> wanted a collective decision by the PC on this. So I request members to
>>> express their views please.
>>>
>>> Tomslin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 04:42, Stephanie E Perrin <
>>> stephanie at digitaldiscretion.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes I think there is a problem.  I understand that there is nothing in
>>>> the Charter that precludes dual representation.  However, we are in tension
>>>> with ALAC in various areas, notably in their approach to the EPDP and the
>>>> ACs' role in policy development.  This is an appointments committee....are
>>>> ALAC representatives going to object to business members who are prominent
>>>> in ALAC being chosen for roles? seems like a conflict of interest to me,
>>>> one has to choose an allegiance and stick to it.  I am an ALAC NA member,
>>>> but I do nothing with ALAC except try to promote better relationships with
>>>> them, as long as I am performing in an NCSG role.  I think this is the
>>>> appropriate response, obviously, but I would like to hear someone defend
>>>> these reappointments on conflict of interest principles.
>>>>
>>>> We must be dying if we cannot find new reps for this committee.
>>>>
>>>> cheers Steph
>>>> On 2021-10-12 3:58 p.m., Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear PC,
>>>>
>>>> As you know, the GNSO Standing Selection Committee (SSC) is due for
>>>> refresh as they do annually after the AGM. *Naveed Bin Rais* and *Raymond
>>>> Mamattah*, two of our current representatives to the SSC, both of whom
>>>> have been selected by the NomCom to serve as ALAC members representing
>>>> their regions at the end of ICANN72 are also both eligible to serve a
>>>> second term as NCSG appointed members to the GNSO SSC and are willing to.
>>>>
>>>> My question to you is, do you think their situation poses any conflict
>>>> of interest to NCSG, noting that I can't recall any specific provision in
>>>> our charter which prevents them from serving in both roles.
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Tomslin
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