<div dir="auto">I support that also, </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 7:57 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Support that ! </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri 15. Oct 2021 at 21:54, Tomslin Samme-Nlar <<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div>Thank you all so much for the responses. <br></div><div>There seems to be consensus that conflict of interest does indeed exist, but differences in approaches as to how we deal with it. I would like to go with Stephanie's suggestion which is to send the call out on the list since the positions are 1 year appointments and are now due. My rationale is that it allows us to vet all the candidates again, including new candidates, based on the values of NCSG which is within our remit.</div><div>Unless anyone objects to this approach, I will put out the call for volunteers on Monday.<br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div>Tomslin</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 at 00:56, Jacqueline Morris <<a href="mailto:jam@jacquelinemorris.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">jam@jacquelinemorris.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="ltr"><div>Dear all</div><div>I agree that there are differences in position, and that will cause conflict of interests.</div>There's also an issue from the ALAC side - ALAC members are proscribed from holding certain positions in other stakeholder groups. I can't remember the details, but it can be checked.<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Jacqueline A. Morris</div><div>Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after <span style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;word-spacing:2px"><a href="http://twitter.com/chrislehmann" style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Chris Lehmann</a> )</span></div><div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 5:15 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <<a href="mailto:compsoftnet@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">compsoftnet@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Dear all,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks Tomslin for bring this issue to the table. My apologies if I'm responding late. My family is blessed with a beautiful baby girl, so I've been trying to support couple with workload.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I agree with Stephanie 100%. There is this syndrome in ICANN environment where people wear many hats belonging to different stakeholder groups. There abound conflicts of interest even if it is not glaring. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I would say that we need to have a reasonable conversation with these fellows of possible issues that could arise wearing many hats in the areas of policy and branding. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As a REP on the SSC, I confirmed what stephanie said. The role is non technical and demand less hours of participation. It requires soft skills with good judgment and evaluation skills. Although, it can get intense when having two to three assignments with a pressing deadline. However, it is something we can get our members to participate and experience. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This community need people that are absolutely committed to non commercial objectives.This is a very sensitive matter and we need to manage it in a diplomatic manner that will prevent tensions and people digging out the ICANN charter.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards.</div><div dir="auto">Akinremi </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 14 Oct. 2021, 8:42 pm Stephanie E Perrin, <<a href="mailto:stephanie@digitaldiscretion.ca" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">stephanie@digitaldiscretion.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">
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<p>I suggest you send it out to the list again, emphasizing that
these positions have a very low workload, no technical expertise
required, just the ability to make good appointment decisions.
Thank the two volunteers for being willing to continue, but
indicate that it is not really fair to ask them to represent NCSG
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<p>Maybe someone will turn up if you beg. I will work over a couple
of candidates. Really, NCSG is going from beached whale status to
rotting carcass if we cannot get someone to perform this role.</p>
<p>cheers Steph<br>
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<p>Yes I think there is a problem. I understand that there
is nothing in the Charter that precludes dual
representation. However, we are in tension with ALAC in
various areas, notably in their approach to the EPDP and
the ACs' role in policy development. This is an
appointments committee....are ALAC representatives going
to object to business members who are prominent in ALAC
being chosen for roles? seems like a conflict of interest
to me, one has to choose an allegiance and stick to it. I
am an ALAC NA member, but I do nothing with ALAC except
try to promote better relationships with them, as long as
I am performing in an NCSG role. I think this is the
appropriate response, obviously, but I would like to hear
someone defend these reappointments on conflict of
interest principles.</p>
<p>We must be dying if we cannot find new reps for this
committee.</p>
<p>cheers Steph<br>
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<div>As you know, the GNSO Standing Selection Committee
(SSC) is due for refresh as they do annually after the
AGM. <b>Naveed Bin Rais</b> and <b>Raymond Mamattah</b>,
two of our current representatives to the SSC, both of
whom have been selected by the NomCom to serve as ALAC
members representing their regions at the end of
ICANN72 are also both eligible to serve a second term
as NCSG appointed members to the GNSO SSC and are
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