[NCSG-PC] Fwd: Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2

Fri Mar 23 18:16:45 EET 2018

Hmm. It seems a lot of the slide deck is devoted to administrative tasks, i.e. when do we want face-to-face meetings, when should be our next call, who will update us on what... I'm almost inclined to say, 'shut it down'... an unhelpful intervention here, I know...

Ayden

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On 23 March 2018 4:09 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> Indeed I am.  And I can testify that progress is slow, having just got off call number 23 this morning.
>
> Here is a slide deck that shows where we are.
>
> On 2018-03-23 09:29, Arsène Tungali wrote:
>
>> I thought Stephanie was part of the RDS RT?
>>
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>> 2018-03-23 0:18 GMT+02:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>
>>> Maybe we should know better about the cureent status and progress of the review team?did it work on term of references and scoping yet or not?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 7:02 AM Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> fair points.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas on how to proceed?
>>>>
>>>> SP
>>>>
>>>> On 2018-03-22 17:22, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be more cautious here, contracted trying to be too tactical but there may be unintended consequences. We heard Goran many times last talking about proposing changes to reviews but we have no idea about specifics. Pausing may just lead somehow to less serious and small in scope reviews in future with whatever ICANN wants to propose.
>>>>> Pausing without clear conditions for restart will be another SSR2 drama and playing into narrative that community cannot manage those processes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 6:10 AM Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Interesting.  DO we have a view on this folks?  I would not object to putting the RDS review on hold.  Far too much to keep track of, notably GDPR and the Privacy proxy services IRT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steph
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>> Subject:	Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>>>>> Date:	Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:26:35 -0300
>>>>>> From:	Anthony Harris [<harris at cabase.org.ar>](mailto:harris at cabase.org.ar)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To:	'PAMELA LITTLE' [<pam.little at alibaba-inc.com>](mailto:pam.little at alibaba-inc.com), 'Heather Forrest' [<haforrestesq at gmail.com>](mailto:haforrestesq at gmail.com), 'GNSO Council List' [<council at gnso.icann.org>](mailto:council at gnso.icann.org), 'Austin, Donna' [<Donna.Austin at team.neustar>](mailto:Donna.Austin at team.neustar)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I support Pam’s suggestion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony Harris
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Logo]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Antonio Harris
>>>>>> Director Ejecutivo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cámara Argentina de Internet
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>>>>>> harris at cabase.org.ar · www.cabase.org.ar
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> De: council [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org] En nombre de PAMELA LITTLE
>>>>>> Enviado el: miércoles, 21 de marzo de 2018 0:55
>>>>>> Para: Heather Forrest; GNSO Council List; Austin, Donna
>>>>>> Asunto: Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition to bandwidth issue and in light of the discussions around ICANN budget and GDPR at ICANN61, perhaps the community should consider a deferral/pause of this review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, see below excerpt of Goran's latest blog https://www.icann.org/news/blog/budget-discussions-at-icann61:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "...and for the RDS Review, there is still significant work remaining to address the impacts of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) on the WHOIS system. Delaying either of these reviews would save many hours of volunteer time. Additionally, and more broadly, addressing the timing of reviews, and approach, will contribute to discussing how to make future reviews more efficient and more relevant. Deferring a review that will be impacted by current Policy Development Processes or other outside factors, could have significant savings on productivity and cost."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pam
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sender:Austin, Donna via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent at:2018 Mar 21 (Wed) 07:34
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To:Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>; GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Subject:Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heather, Susan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where does this leave the RDS Review Team in terms of adequate membership? I know Susan has raised concerns previously that there isn’t enough people to do the work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it possible for the GNSO to recommend additional candidates to fill the vacancies left by the ccNSO’s decision not to appoint volunteers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Donna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: council [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Heather Forrest
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:51 AM
>>>>>>> To: GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Council colleagues,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please note the ccNSO's affirmed position on RDS/WHOIS2 RT.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heather
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: Katrina Sataki <katrina at nic.lv>
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:37 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>>>>>> To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>>>>>>> Cc: Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Chris Disspain <chris.disspain at board.icann.org>, mike.silber at board.icann.org, SOAC Chairs <soac-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7 March 2018
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: Alan Greenberg, RDS/WHOIS 2 Review Team, Chair
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CC: Chris Disspain, Mike Silber, Göran Marby, Chairs of ALAC, ASO, GAC, GNSO, SSAC, RSAC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Alan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In May 2017, we informed the ICANN Board of Directors that the ccNSO did not find itself in a position to nominate candidates for the RDS/ WHOIS2 Review Team, and deferred participation in this specific review.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 18 January 2018, the ccNSO Council again discussed its participation in the review. Following this discussion, by 16 February 2018, the ccNSO Council decided not to participate in the RDS/WHOIS2 specific review.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ccNSO Council thanks the volunteers who sought endorsement of the ccNSO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Katrina Sataki,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chair of the ccNSO
>>>>>>>
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