[NCSG-PC] Fwd: Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2

Stephanie Perrin stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Fri Mar 23 18:09:38 EET 2018


Indeed I am.  And I can testify that progress is slow, having just got 
off call number 23 this morning.

Here is a slide deck that shows where we are.

On 2018-03-23 09:29, Arsène Tungali wrote:
> I thought Stephanie was part of the RDS RT?
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> 2018-03-23 0:18 GMT+02:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com 
> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>:
>
>     Hi Stephanie,
>
>     Maybe we should know better about the cureent status and progress
>     of the review team?did it work on term of references and scoping
>     yet or not?
>
>     Best,
>
>     Rafik
>
>
>     On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 7:02 AM Stephanie Perrin
>     <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>     <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>
>         fair points.
>
>         Any ideas on how to proceed?
>
>         SP
>
>         On 2018-03-22 17:22, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>         Hi ,
>>
>>
>>         I would be more cautious here, contracted trying to be too
>>         tactical but there may be unintended consequences. We heard
>>         Goran many times last talking about proposing changes to
>>         reviews but we have no idea about specifics. Pausing may just
>>         lead somehow to less serious and small in scope reviews in
>>         future with whatever ICANN wants to propose.
>>         Pausing without clear conditions for restart will be another
>>         SSR2 drama and playing into narrative that community cannot
>>         manage those processes.
>>
>>         Best,
>>
>>         Rafik
>>
>>
>>         On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 6:10 AM Stephanie Perrin
>>         <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>         <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>
>>             Interesting.  DO we have a view on this folks?  I would
>>             not object to putting the RDS review on hold.  Far too
>>             much to keep track of, notably GDPR and the Privacy proxy
>>             services IRT.
>>
>>             Steph
>>
>>
>>
>>             -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>             Subject: 	Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs]
>>             ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>             Date: 	Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:26:35 -0300
>>             From: 	Anthony Harris <harris at cabase.org.ar>
>>             <mailto:harris at cabase.org.ar>
>>             To: 	'PAMELA LITTLE' <pam.little at alibaba-inc.com>
>>             <mailto:pam.little at alibaba-inc.com>, 'Heather Forrest'
>>             <haforrestesq at gmail.com> <mailto:haforrestesq at gmail.com>,
>>             'GNSO Council List' <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>             <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>, 'Austin, Donna'
>>             <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>>             <mailto:Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>>
>>
>>
>>             I support Pam’s suggestion.
>>
>>             Tony Harris
>>
>>
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>>             Antonio Harris
>>             /Director Ejecutivo/
>>
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>>             harris at cabase.org.ar <mailto:harris at cabase.org.ar> ·
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>>             eco No me imprimas si no es necesario. Protejamos el
>>             medio ambiente
>>
>>             *De:*council [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org
>>             <mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org>] *En nombre de
>>             *PAMELA LITTLE
>>             *Enviado el:* miércoles, 21 de marzo de 2018 0:55
>>             *Para:* Heather Forrest; GNSO Council List; Austin, Donna
>>             *Asunto:* Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs]
>>             ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>
>>             In addition to bandwidth issue//and in light of//the
>>             discussions around ICANN budget and GDPR at ICANN61,
>>             perhaps the community should consider a deferral/pause of
>>             this review.
>>
>>             Also, see below excerpt of Goran's latest blog
>>             https://www.icann.org/news/blog/budget-discussions-at-icann61
>>             <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/budget-discussions-at-icann61>:
>>
>>             "...and for the RDS Review, there is still significant
>>             work remaining to address the impacts of the General Data
>>             Protection Regulation (GDPR) on the WHOIS system.
>>             Delaying either of these reviews would save many hours of
>>             volunteer time. Additionally, and more broadly,
>>             addressing the timing of reviews, and approach, will
>>             contribute to discussing how to make future reviews more
>>             efficient and more relevant. Deferring a review that will
>>             be impacted by current Policy Development Processes or
>>             other outside factors, could have significant savings on
>>             productivity and cost."
>>
>>             Kind regards,
>>
>>             Pam
>>
>>                 ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>                 Sender:Austin, Donna via council
>>                 <council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
>>
>>                 Sent at:2018 Mar 21 (Wed) 07:34
>>
>>                 To:Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com
>>                 <mailto:haforrestesq at gmail.com>>; GNSO Council List
>>                 <council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
>>
>>                 Subject:Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs]
>>                 ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>
>>                 Heather, Susan
>>
>>                 Where does this leave the RDS Review Team in terms of
>>                 adequate membership? I know Susan has raised concerns
>>                 previously that there isn’t enough people to do the
>>                 work.
>>
>>                 Is it possible for the GNSO to recommend additional
>>                 candidates to fill the vacancies left by the ccNSO’s
>>                 decision not to appoint volunteers?
>>
>>                 Donna
>>
>>                 *From:*council [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org
>>                 <mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org>] *On Behalf
>>                 Of *Heather Forrest
>>                 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:51 AM
>>                 *To:* GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org
>>                 <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
>>                 *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs]
>>                 ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>
>>                 Dear Council colleagues,
>>
>>                 Please note the ccNSO's affirmed position on
>>                 RDS/WHOIS2 RT.
>>
>>                 Best wishes,
>>
>>                 Heather
>>
>>                 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>                 From: *Katrina Sataki* <katrina at nic.lv
>>                 <mailto:katrina at nic.lv>>
>>                 Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:37 PM
>>                 Subject: [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council resolves not to
>>                 participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>                 To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
>>                 <mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>>
>>                 Cc: Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org
>>                 <mailto:goran.marby at icann.org>>, Chris Disspain
>>                 <chris.disspain at board.icann.org
>>                 <mailto:chris.disspain at board.icann.org>>,
>>                 mike.silber at board.icann.org
>>                 <mailto:mike.silber at board.icann.org>, SOAC Chairs
>>                 <soac-chairs at icann.org <mailto:soac-chairs at icann.org>>
>>
>>                 7 March 2018
>>
>>                 To: Alan Greenberg, RDS/WHOIS 2 Review Team, Chair
>>
>>                 CC: Chris Disspain, Mike Silber, Göran Marby, Chairs
>>                 of ALAC, ASO, GAC, GNSO, SSAC, RSAC
>>
>>                 Dear Alan,
>>
>>                 In May 2017, we informed the ICANN Board of Directors
>>                 that the ccNSO did not find itself in a position to
>>                 nominate candidates for the RDS/ WHOIS2 Review Team,
>>                 and deferred participation in this specific review.
>>
>>                 On 18 January 2018, the ccNSO Council again discussed
>>                 its participation in the review. Following this
>>                 discussion, by 16 February 2018, the ccNSO Council
>>                 decided not to participate in the RDS/WHOIS2 specific
>>                 review.
>>
>>                 The ccNSO Council thanks the volunteers who sought
>>                 endorsement of the ccNSO.
>>
>>                 Kind regards,
>>
>>                 Katrina Sataki,
>>
>>                 Chair of the ccNSO
>>
>>
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