[NCSG-PC] Fwd: Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Fri Mar 23 18:55:14 EET 2018
Possibly unhelpful, but one I can relate to. I dont think Alan has a
clue what we should be doing. Susan is bound and determined we are
going to show progress on everything she got into the first Review team
report....
I am doing little but have more time now that I am off the other pdp.
Will try to influence the report, which will be coming, ready or not.
cheers Steph
On 2018-03-23 12:16, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
> Hmm. It seems a lot of the slide deck is devoted to administrative
> tasks, i.e. when do we want face-to-face meetings, when should be our
> next call, who will update us on what... I'm almost inclined to say,
> 'shut it down'... an unhelpful intervention here, I know...
>
> Ayden
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 23 March 2018 4:09 PM, Stephanie Perrin
> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
>> Indeed I am. And I can testify that progress is slow, having just
>> got off call number 23 this morning.
>>
>> Here is a slide deck that shows where we are.
>>
>> On 2018-03-23 09:29, Arsène Tungali wrote:
>>> I thought Stephanie was part of the RDS RT?
>>>
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>>> 2018-03-23 0:18 GMT+02:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>
>>> Maybe we should know better about the cureent status and
>>> progress of the review team?did it work on term of references
>>> and scoping yet or not?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 7:02 AM Stephanie Perrin
>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>
>>> fair points.
>>>
>>> Any ideas on how to proceed?
>>>
>>> SP
>>>
>>> On 2018-03-22 17:22, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>> Hi ,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would be more cautious here, contracted trying to be too
>>>> tactical but there may be unintended consequences. We heard
>>>> Goran many times last talking about proposing changes to
>>>> reviews but we have no idea about specifics. Pausing may
>>>> just lead somehow to less serious and small in scope
>>>> reviews in future with whatever ICANN wants to propose.
>>>> Pausing without clear conditions for restart will be
>>>> another SSR2 drama and playing into narrative that
>>>> community cannot manage those processes.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 6:10 AM Stephanie Perrin
>>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Interesting. DO we have a view on this folks? I would
>>>> not object to putting the RDS review on hold. Far too
>>>> much to keep track of, notably GDPR and the Privacy
>>>> proxy services IRT.
>>>>
>>>> Steph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> Subject:
>>>> Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs] ccNSO
>>>> Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>>> Date:
>>>> Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:26:35 -0300
>>>> From:
>>>> Anthony Harris <harris at cabase.org.ar>
>>>> <mailto:harris at cabase.org.ar>
>>>> To:
>>>> 'PAMELA LITTLE' <pam.little at alibaba-inc.com>
>>>> <mailto:pam.little at alibaba-inc.com>, 'Heather Forrest'
>>>> <haforrestesq at gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:haforrestesq at gmail.com>, 'GNSO Council List'
>>>> <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>> <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>, 'Austin, Donna'
>>>> <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>>>> <mailto:Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I support Pam’s suggestion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tony Harris
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> *De:*council [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org
>>>> <mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org>] *En nombre de
>>>> *PAMELA LITTLE
>>>> *Enviado el:* miércoles, 21 de marzo de 2018 0:55
>>>> *Para:* Heather Forrest; GNSO Council List; Austin, Donna
>>>> *Asunto:* Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs]
>>>> ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In addition to bandwidth issue//and in light of//the
>>>> discussions around ICANN budget and GDPR at ICANN61,
>>>> perhaps the community should consider a deferral/pause
>>>> of this review.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, see below excerpt of Goran's latest blog
>>>> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/budget-discussions-at-icann61
>>>> <https://www.icann.org/news/blog/budget-discussions-at-icann61>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "...and for the RDS Review, there is still significant
>>>> work remaining to address the impacts of the General
>>>> Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) on the WHOIS system.
>>>> Delaying either of these reviews would save many hours
>>>> of volunteer time. Additionally, and more broadly,
>>>> addressing the timing of reviews, and approach, will
>>>> contribute to discussing how to make future reviews
>>>> more efficient and more relevant. Deferring a review
>>>> that will be impacted by current Policy Development
>>>> Processes or other outside factors, could have
>>>> significant savings on productivity and cost."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Sender:Austin, Donna via council
>>>> <council at gnso.icann.org
>>>> <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent at:2018 Mar 21 (Wed) 07:34
>>>>
>>>> To:Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:haforrestesq at gmail.com>>; GNSO Council List
>>>> <council at gnso.icann.org
>>>> <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
>>>>
>>>> Subject:Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs]
>>>> ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Heather, Susan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where does this leave the RDS Review Team in terms
>>>> of adequate membership? I know Susan has raised
>>>> concerns previously that there isn’t enough people
>>>> to do the work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible for the GNSO to recommend additional
>>>> candidates to fill the vacancies left by the
>>>> ccNSO’s decision not to appoint volunteers?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Donna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:*council
>>>> [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org
>>>> <mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org>] *On Behalf
>>>> Of *Heather Forrest
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:51 AM
>>>> *To:* GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org
>>>> <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
>>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs]
>>>> ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Council colleagues,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please note the ccNSO's affirmed position on
>>>> RDS/WHOIS2 RT.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Heather
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: *Katrina Sataki* <katrina at nic.lv
>>>> <mailto:katrina at nic.lv>>
>>>> Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:37 PM
>>>> Subject: [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council resolves not
>>>> to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>>> To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
>>>> <mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>>
>>>> Cc: Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:goran.marby at icann.org>>, Chris Disspain
>>>> <chris.disspain at board.icann.org
>>>> <mailto:chris.disspain at board.icann.org>>,
>>>> mike.silber at board.icann.org
>>>> <mailto:mike.silber at board.icann.org>, SOAC Chairs
>>>> <soac-chairs at icann.org <mailto:soac-chairs at icann.org>>
>>>>
>>>> 7 March 2018
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To: Alan Greenberg, RDS/WHOIS 2 Review Team, Chair
>>>>
>>>> CC: Chris Disspain, Mike Silber, Göran Marby,
>>>> Chairs of ALAC, ASO, GAC, GNSO, SSAC, RSAC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Alan,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In May 2017, we informed the ICANN Board of
>>>> Directors that the ccNSO did not find itself in a
>>>> position to nominate candidates for the RDS/ WHOIS2
>>>> Review Team, and deferred participation in this
>>>> specific review.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 18 January 2018, the ccNSO Council again
>>>> discussed its participation in the review.
>>>> Following this discussion, by 16 February 2018, the
>>>> ccNSO Council decided not to participate in the
>>>> RDS/WHOIS2 specific review.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The ccNSO Council thanks the volunteers who sought
>>>> endorsement of the ccNSO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Katrina Sataki,
>>>>
>>>> Chair of the ccNSO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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