[NCSG-PC] Fwd: Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2

Sat Mar 24 01:11:28 EET 2018

Hi Stephanie,

Thanks for sharing the latest update,
I see that the RT  has several subgroups to cover different recommendations
areas (likely coming from the previous RT?).
Can I assume that RT already agreed on its ToS and scoping (only reviewing
the previous work?)? what is the agreed timeline (by when the RT is
supposed to deliver its initial and final recommendations?), with that we
can see how much it can be impacted by a possible pause.

if the activity is already slow, I don't see why we need to pause the work.
If we want to proceed with pause and have a good reason, we need to propose
some conditions to ensure that doesn't end up in limbo: timeline, the
trigger to resume the work, need or not to change the scope based GDPR
related changes.

as we are still trying to fix SSR2 and figuring out a community process to
handle such issue, I don't think to bring another case is a good idea
without a good rationale and GNSO will have to get buy-in from other ACs.
I don't really buy the budget reasoning that becomes the mantra lately,
governance and accountability m cannot be a just matter of cost, otherwise,
it will a levelling down.

Best,

Rafik

2018-03-24 1:55 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:

> Possibly unhelpful, but one I can relate to.  I dont think Alan has a clue
> what we should be doing.  Susan is bound and determined we are going to
> show progress on everything she got into the first Review team report....
>
> I am doing little but have more time now that I am off the other pdp. Will
> try to influence the report, which will be coming, ready or not.
>
> cheers Steph
> On 2018-03-23 12:16, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>
> Hmm. It seems a lot of the slide deck is devoted to administrative tasks,
> i.e. when do we want face-to-face meetings, when should be our next call,
> who will update us on what... I'm almost inclined to say, 'shut it down'...
> an unhelpful intervention here, I know...
>
> Ayden
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 23 March 2018 4:09 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.
> utoronto.ca> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
> Indeed I am.  And I can testify that progress is slow, having just got off
> call number 23 this morning.
>
> Here is a slide deck that shows where we are.
> On 2018-03-23 09:29, Arsène Tungali wrote:
>
> I thought Stephanie was part of the RDS RT?
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> 2018-03-23 0:18 GMT+02:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>
> Hi Stephanie,
>>
>> Maybe we should know better about the cureent status and progress of the
>> review team?did it work on term of references and scoping yet or not?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 7:02 AM Stephanie Perrin <
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> fair points.
>>>
>>> Any ideas on how to proceed?
>>>
>>> SP
>>> On 2018-03-22 17:22, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi ,
>>>
>>>
>>> I would be more cautious here, contracted trying to be too tactical but
>>> there may be unintended consequences. We heard Goran many times last
>>> talking about proposing changes to reviews but we have no idea about
>>> specifics. Pausing may just lead somehow to less serious and small in scope
>>> reviews in future with whatever ICANN wants to propose.
>>> Pausing without clear conditions for restart will be another SSR2 drama
>>> and playing into narrative that community cannot manage those processes.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 6:10 AM Stephanie Perrin <
>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Interesting.  DO we have a view on this folks?  I would not object to
>>>> putting the RDS review on hold.  Far too much to keep track of, notably
>>>> GDPR and the Privacy proxy services IRT.
>>>>
>>>> Steph
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> Subject:
>>>> Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council resolves not
>>>> to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>>> Date:
>>>> Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:26:35 -0300
>>>> From:
>>>> Anthony Harris <harris at cabase.org.ar> <harris at cabase.org.ar>
>>>> To:
>>>> 'PAMELA LITTLE' <pam.little at alibaba-inc.com>
>>>> <pam.little at alibaba-inc.com>, 'Heather Forrest'
>>>> <haforrestesq at gmail.com> <haforrestesq at gmail.com>, 'GNSO Council List'
>>>> <council at gnso.icann.org> <council at gnso.icann.org>, 'Austin, Donna'
>>>> <Donna.Austin at team.neustar> <Donna.Austin at team.neustar>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I support Pam’s suggestion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tony Harris
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> *De:* council [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org
>>>> <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org>] *En nombre de *PAMELA LITTLE
>>>> *Enviado el:* miércoles, 21 de marzo de 2018 0:55
>>>> *Para:* Heather Forrest; GNSO Council List; Austin, Donna
>>>> *Asunto:* Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council
>>>> resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In addition to bandwidth issue and in light of the discussions around
>>>> ICANN budget and GDPR at ICANN61, perhaps the community should consider a
>>>> deferral/pause of this review.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, see below excerpt of Goran's latest blog
>>>> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/budget-discussions-at-icann61:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "...and for the RDS Review, there is still significant work remaining
>>>> to address the impacts of the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) on
>>>> the WHOIS system. Delaying either of these reviews would save many hours of
>>>> volunteer time. Additionally, and more broadly, addressing the timing of
>>>> reviews, and approach, will contribute to discussing how to make future
>>>> reviews more efficient and more relevant. Deferring a review that will be
>>>> impacted by current Policy Development Processes or other outside factors,
>>>> could have significant savings on productivity and cost."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Sender:Austin, Donna via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>
>>>> Sent at:2018 Mar 21 (Wed) 07:34
>>>>
>>>> To:Heather Forrest <haforrestesq at gmail.com>; GNSO Council List <
>>>> council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>
>>>> Subject:Re: [council] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council
>>>> resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Heather, Susan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Where does this leave the RDS Review Team in terms of adequate
>>>> membership? I know Susan has raised concerns previously that there isn’t
>>>> enough people to do the work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible for the GNSO to recommend additional candidates to fill
>>>> the vacancies left by the ccNSO’s decision not to appoint volunteers?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Donna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* council [mailto:council-bounces at gnso.icann.org
>>>> <council-bounces at gnso.icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Heather Forrest
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:51 AM
>>>> *To:* GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [council] Fwd: [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council
>>>> resolves not to participate in RDS/WHOIS2
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Council colleagues,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please note the ccNSO's affirmed position on RDS/WHOIS2 RT.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Heather
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: *Katrina Sataki* <katrina at nic.lv>
>>>> Date: Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:37 PM
>>>> Subject: [soac-chairs] ccNSO Council resolves not to participate in
>>>> RDS/WHOIS2
>>>> To: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>>>> Cc: Goran Marby <goran.marby at icann.org>, Chris Disspain <
>>>> chris.disspain at board.icann.org>, mike.silber at board.icann.org, SOAC
>>>> Chairs <soac-chairs at icann.org>
>>>>
>>>> 7 March 2018
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To: Alan Greenberg, RDS/WHOIS 2 Review Team, Chair
>>>>
>>>> CC: Chris Disspain, Mike Silber, Göran Marby, Chairs of ALAC, ASO,
>>>> GAC, GNSO, SSAC, RSAC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Alan,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In May 2017, we informed the ICANN Board of Directors that the ccNSO
>>>> did not find itself in a position to nominate candidates for the RDS/
>>>> WHOIS2 Review Team, and deferred participation in this specific review.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 18 January 2018, the ccNSO Council again discussed its participation
>>>> in the review. Following this discussion, by 16 February 2018, the ccNSO
>>>> Council decided not to participate in the RDS/WHOIS2 specific review.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The ccNSO Council thanks the volunteers who sought endorsement of the
>>>> ccNSO.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Katrina Sataki,
>>>>
>>>> Chair of the ccNSO
>>>>
>>>>
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