[NCSG-PC] [Draft] Letter to ICANN re: BC and IPC correspondence

[Stephanie Perrin]

I jumped in today (apologies for being anonymous, always forget my 
google password) and made quite a few changes.  I like the idea, but I 
think we should be a bit more specific.  In terms of informing the 
DPAs....Swineheart is trying to get people to the IWGDPT meeting in 
Paris, I think everyone has been briefed at the data commissioners 
meeting in Hong kong (remember a whole crew from ICANN went) that there 
is a draft statement coming. So they know we have been briefing them for 
two years, we need to sharpen that a bit.

Let me know if you think it was a bit too strong.  I will confess, I am 
losing my patience with this lot.  They spend gobs of money gadding 
around trying to nullify end user rights.  Totally ignore us. Ought to 
be ashamed of themselves.

Stephanie


On 2017-10-13 07:05, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> hi,
>
> reminder for everyone to review the letter and share comments.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-10-11 4:28 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com 
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>
>     Also - I have now revised this letter again taking into account
>     the helpful feedback that was received over the past 48 hours;
>     moving forward, please feel free to edit the document directly if
>     you have any changes you'd like to see made. Thanks!
>
>     Ayden
>
>
>>     -------- Original Message --------
>>     Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft] Letter to ICANN re: BC and IPC
>>     correspondence
>>     Local Time: 10 October 2017 7:44 PM
>>     UTC Time: 10 October 2017 18:44
>>     From: icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>
>>     To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>     ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>
>>     Hi Rafik,
>>
>>     Thank you very much for your comments.
>>
>>     It would be great if we could finalise this letter by Friday and
>>     perhaps even send it out that day. I very much welcome edits
>>     directly to the Google Doc; everyone on this list, please help
>>     write it and shape its contents!
>>
>>     I would also like to propose that we write a monthly letter to
>>     ICANN on this topic until May 2018, when enforcement of the GDPR
>>     comes into effect. That way we can document for the data
>>     protection authorities that we have been informing ICANN in
>>     excess of six months of their need to comply with this regulation.
>>
>>     The feedback from Nick Shorey on the PC call today - that we need
>>     to help engineer a conversation between the DPAs and their GAC
>>     representatives - is an interesting one, and one which seemed to
>>     have support in the chat. How would we go about this, however? Do
>>     we write to the GAC? Do we express this desire to them in Abu
>>     Dhabi during our face-to-face with them?
>>
>>     Best wishes,
>>
>>     Ayden
>>
>>
>>>     -------- Original Message --------
>>>     Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft] Letter to ICANN re: BC and IPC
>>>     correspondence
>>>     Local Time: 10 October 2017 5:33 AM
>>>     UTC Time: 10 October 2017 04:33
>>>     From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>     To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>     <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>>>     ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>>
>>>     Hi Ayden,
>>>
>>>     Thanks for the draft,
>>>     it is important we make a point to voice our concerns and
>>>     influence the process. as we discussed before here and on the
>>>     last call we got 2 problems 1- our representatives in taskforce
>>>     not being informed 2- the last Data protection conference (that
>>>     is already passed)
>>>
>>>     for the current letter, indeed we should tweak the language
>>>     there ;) while we keep the substance. reading IPC letter, it
>>>     seems they reject the use case matrix and I understood from
>>>     previous comments you think that doesn't include our
>>>     perspective. I add few comments but I think we can add more, in
>>>     particular, our concerns in general regarding the process and
>>>     not just responding to BC and IPC requests.
>>>
>>>     I ask other PC members to review the letter and share their
>>>     thoughts. I put the GDPR as a discussion item for today call. We
>>>     need a deadline to get this done and prior to Abud Dhabi meeting
>>>     if we may want to continue the discussion there and depending on
>>>     how things go with the cross-community session. I propose that
>>>     we reach a new version by this Friday.
>>>
>>>     Best,
>>>
>>>     Rafik
>>>
>>>     2017-10-08 23:07 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>     <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>>
>>>         Hi,
>>>
>>>         I have drafted a letter to ICANN in response to the recent
>>>         correspondence received from the BC and the IPC. You can
>>>         read/edit it here.
>>>         <https://docs.google.com/document/d/13ujYOpJFL0eNvjQCiNmsduFFbiUPQC5Wmbe9wHC2K6Q/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>         I know the language is provocative (intentionally so), but
>>>         this is a first draft -- and if you disapprove please
>>>         provide alternative language.
>>>
>>>         Best, Ayden
>>>
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