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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I jumped in today
(apologies for being anonymous, always forget my google
password) and made quite a few changes. I like the idea, but
I think we should be a bit more specific. In terms of informing
the DPAs....Swineheart is trying to get people to the IWGDPT
meeting in Paris, I think everyone has been briefed at the
data commissioners meeting in Hong kong (remember a whole crew
from ICANN went) that there is a draft statement coming. So
they know we have been briefing them for two years, we need to
sharpen that a bit.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Let me know if you
think it was a bit too strong. I will confess, I am losing my
patience with this lot. They spend gobs of money gadding
around trying to nullify end user rights. Totally ignore us.
Ought to be ashamed of themselves.</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">Stephanie</font></font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2017-10-13 07:05, Rafik Dammak
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">hi,</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">reminder for everyone to review the
letter and share comments.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-10-11 4:28 GMT+09:00 Ayden
Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Also - I have now revised this letter again taking
into account the helpful feedback that was received over
the past 48 hours; moving forward, please feel free to
edit the document directly if you have any changes you'd
like to see made. Thanks!<span class="HOEnZb"><font
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<div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft] Letter to ICANN
re: BC and IPC correspondence<br>
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<div>Local Time: 10 October 2017 7:44 PM<br>
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<div>UTC Time: 10 October 2017 18:44<br>
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<div>From: <a href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a><br>
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<div>To: Rafik Dammak <<a
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<div>Hi Rafik,<br>
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<div>Thank you very much for your comments. <br>
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<div>It would be great if we could finalise this
letter by Friday and perhaps even send it out
that day. I very much welcome edits directly to
the Google Doc; everyone on this list, please
help write it and shape its contents!<br>
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<div>I would also like to propose that we write a
monthly letter to ICANN on this topic until May
2018, when enforcement of the GDPR comes into
effect. That way we can document for the data
protection authorities that we have been informing
ICANN in excess of six months of their need to
comply with this regulation.<br>
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<div>The feedback from Nick Shorey on the PC call
today - that we need to help engineer a
conversation between the DPAs and their GAC
representatives - is an interesting one, and one
which seemed to have support in the chat. How
would we go about this, however? Do we write to
the GAC? Do we express this desire to them in Abu
Dhabi during our face-to-face with them?<br>
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<div>Best wishes,<br>
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<div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] [Draft] Letter to
ICANN re: BC and IPC correspondence<br>
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<div>Local Time: 10 October 2017 5:33 AM<br>
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<div>UTC Time: 10 October 2017 04:33<br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><br>
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<div>To: Ayden Férdeline <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Hi Ayden,<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Thanks for the draft,<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">it is important we make
a point to voice our concerns and influence
the process. as we discussed before here and
on the last call we got 2 problems 1- our
representatives in taskforce not being
informed 2- the last Data protection
conference (that is already passed)<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">for the current letter,
indeed we should tweak the language there ;)
while we keep the substance. reading IPC
letter, it seems they reject the use case
matrix and I understood from previous comments
you think that doesn't include our
perspective. I add few comments but I think we
can add more, in particular, our concerns in
general regarding the process and not just
responding to BC and IPC requests.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I ask other PC members
to review the letter and share their thoughts.
I put the GDPR as a discussion item for today
call. We need a deadline to get this done and
prior to Abud Dhabi meeting if we may want to
continue the discussion there and depending on
how things go with the cross-community
session. I propose that we reach a new version
by this Friday.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Rafik <br>
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<div>2017-10-08 23:07 GMT+09:00 Ayden
Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Hi,<br>
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<div>I have drafted a letter to ICANN in
response to the recent correspondence
received from the BC and the IPC. <a
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/13ujYOpJFL0eNvjQCiNmsduFFbiUPQC5Wmbe9wHC2K6Q/edit?usp=sharing"
title="You can read/edit it here."
rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
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read/edit it here.</a> I know the
language is provocative (intentionally
so), but this is a first draft -- and if
you disapprove please provide
alternative language.<br>
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<div>Best, Ayden<br>
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