[NCUC-DISCUSS] NomCom changes

Thu Jun 6 07:23:04 EEST 2024

Thanks Pedro
At least you find out to the extent what transpired.
I am in support that since this opportunity is open and we are eager to
follow through, we can lead the initiative than waiting to be invited to
the table.

Leading the discussion early enough gives us an advantage.

But first let's put our house in order by ensuring that our position(s) is
well articulated with outlines, while taking our comments request seriously
whenever such call is made and available.
Regards

On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, 03:03 Judith Hellerstein, <judith at jhellerstein.com>
wrote:

> HI Farzi,
>
> I think that is good. We need to find a solution. I agree that the
> recommendations should not have been removed, but it was and there is
> nothing we can do right now.  That ship has sailed already.
>
> None of the other constituencies wanted to restart the process, they voted
> to go forward with the other recommendations and move forward.  It seems
> the Board also agreed. The Board and NomCom are now implementing what was
> in the recommendations and the public comments.
>
> We need to find out from the Board and from Sally about what happened with
> all the advice that all the constituencies sent her with regard to her
> letter.  Also, what she plans on doing?  The rebalancing issues were taken
> off the public comment proceedings that went out to the community and that
> the community responded to.  The pressure on rebalancing is what led to her
> letter to the constituencies about what should be done, but this was given
> last year and nothing has been done since.  So now is the time for action,
> however, we should also be realistic in what we hope to accomplish
>
> I think your suggestion is a good one. Let me know how I can help
>
> Best,
>
> Judith
>
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> On 6/5/24 9:43 PM, farzaneh badii wrote:
>
> I think the ship of holding the reps accountable has sailed, we should
> move on (or talk about it on another thread).
> we need to look for a solution and re-open the issue. How could they
> actually do a vote without the affected parties present! Obviously the
> community does not want to support a fair outcome for NCSG. So we need to
> re-open the issue and the recommendation should not have been removed.
> Many  issues when there is a power imbalance should not be solely decided
> by the community. Because the community can be biased. We have to explain
> that this recommendation was to rectify an inherent unfairness and
> imbalance, and the majority of community should not have removed the
> recommendation. Because it affected the minority that is at a disadvantage.
> How we do the rebalancing is another topic.
>
> So I think we need
> 1) an open letter to the Board nicely worded.
> 2) a nicely worded blog. which in these circumstances can help. I really
> think it's time to write it up.
>
>
>
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 6:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Judith
>> This is not true please.
>> Rebalancing was a key issue from us and it's unkind to say one was not
>> there during decision making or recommendations. I followed most of
>> the meetings. At least I can speak for myself.
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>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 8:11 PM Judith Hellerstein <
>> judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Julf,
>>> Caleb was right. These actions occurred during the NomCom Review
>>> Committee.  there were many protests by other groups and as NCSG or NPOC
>>> did not have a rep on this committee or if they did the rep was not active
>>> so when these decisions were made to take out the rebalancing from the
>>> recommendations there was no one there to oppose it and change people’s
>>> minds. I had asked this question when the public comment first came out and
>>> it had the rebalancing issues still there by mistake and this is the
>>> answers and information I was given by the people on the committee.
>>>
>>> As such Rebalancing was removed from the recommendations and was taken
>>> out of the public comment.  As much issues were made after the fact, it was
>>> decided that advice would be sought from each of the SOs and ACs and other
>>> groups on how best to do the rebalancing.  That advice was given but not
>>> sure whatever happened to it.
>>>
>>> We will just have to wait for an answer from theCEO and Board.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Judith
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>>> On Jun 5, 2024, at 2:46 PM, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <
>>> muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hi Julf,
>>>
>>> The board did not remove any recommendations. A vote was put forward in
>>> the NomCom RIWG from what I understand and we did not have an NCSG rep on
>>> the ground during that meeting the recommendation votes were maded to push
>>> for a consensus to retain recommendation 10l
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 1:30 PM Johan Helsingius via Ncuc-discuss <
>>> ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for the useful information, Remmy,
>>>>
>>>> > The final recommendations were made including our desire to increase
>>>> and
>>>> > re-balance the slots and were submitted to the ICANN board and it did
>>>> > not sail through as expected. (Raoul Plommer can also add a voice
>>>> here)
>>>>
>>>> I am, like Pedro, a bit confused about this - did the team actually
>>>> recommend re-balancing, but the board removed it, or did the team
>>>> decide to remove the recommendation from the final version that
>>>> went to the board?
>>>>
>>>> > On the call for term duration, I would advise that current appointees
>>>> > have 1 additional year, since that would mean they are not returning
>>>> and
>>>> > must have availed some ‘knowledge transfer’ on the new or incoming
>>>> > appointees before their final exit thereafter.
>>>>
>>>> That would be the sensible thing to do, yes, but that doesn't seem
>>>> to be what the recommendation says.
>>>>
>>>>         Julf
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>>>
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