[NCUC-DISCUSS] NomCom changes

Sun Jun 9 20:04:39 EEST 2024

Hi,

Sorry for overposting on this topic - an important blog post was published
by the time I sent the last message here, but I had not seen it then - the
Board seems to be discussing the rebalancing of NomCom in ICANN80
<https://www.icann.org/en/blogs/details/chairs-blog-previewing-the-june-board-workshop-and-icann80-05-06-2024-en>
:

Reviews: The Board Organizational Effectiveness Committee will facilitate a
discussion on two pending recommendations from the second Organizational
Review of the Nominating Committee (NomCom): NomCom appointments of
"Unaffiliated" Board Directors *and the rebalancing of the NomCom*. Each of
these topics *has* significant governance implications for ICANN. The aim
of this discussion is to find suitable channels within the Board to further
progress the discussion of these remaining topics.

Help a newbie here: this does indicate that the door may still be open for
us to try something in the following months, right?

Cordially,

*Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
Lawyer <https://www.nic.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>
Researcher
PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
Board Member @ NCUC (ICANN) <https://www.ncuc.org/>, ISOC BR
<https://isoc.org.br/>, CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/> and IODA
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Em qui., 6 de jun. de 2024 às 09:23, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
escreveu:

> Thanks Pedro
> At least you find out to the extent what transpired.
> I am in support that since this opportunity is open and we are eager to
> follow through, we can lead the initiative than waiting to be invited to
> the table.
>
> Leading the discussion early enough gives us an advantage.
>
> But first let's put our house in order by ensuring that our position(s) is
> well articulated with outlines, while taking our comments request seriously
> whenever such call is made and available.
> Regards
>
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, 03:03 Judith Hellerstein, <judith at jhellerstein.com>
> wrote:
>
>> HI Farzi,
>>
>> I think that is good. We need to find a solution. I agree that the
>> recommendations should not have been removed, but it was and there is
>> nothing we can do right now.  That ship has sailed already.
>>
>> None of the other constituencies wanted to restart the process, they
>> voted to go forward with the other recommendations and move forward.  It
>> seems the Board also agreed. The Board and NomCom are now implementing what
>> was in the recommendations and the public comments.
>>
>> We need to find out from the Board and from Sally about what happened
>> with all the advice that all the constituencies sent her with regard to her
>> letter.  Also, what she plans on doing?  The rebalancing issues were taken
>> off the public comment proceedings that went out to the community and that
>> the community responded to.  The pressure on rebalancing is what led to her
>> letter to the constituencies about what should be done, but this was given
>> last year and nothing has been done since.  So now is the time for action,
>> however, we should also be realistic in what we hope to accomplish
>>
>> I think your suggestion is a good one. Let me know how I can help
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Judith
>>
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>> On 6/5/24 9:43 PM, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>
>> I think the ship of holding the reps accountable has sailed, we should
>> move on (or talk about it on another thread).
>> we need to look for a solution and re-open the issue. How could they
>> actually do a vote without the affected parties present! Obviously the
>> community does not want to support a fair outcome for NCSG. So we need to
>> re-open the issue and the recommendation should not have been removed.
>> Many  issues when there is a power imbalance should not be solely decided
>> by the community. Because the community can be biased. We have to explain
>> that this recommendation was to rectify an inherent unfairness and
>> imbalance, and the majority of community should not have removed the
>> recommendation. Because it affected the minority that is at a disadvantage.
>> How we do the rebalancing is another topic.
>>
>> So I think we need
>> 1) an open letter to the Board nicely worded.
>> 2) a nicely worded blog. which in these circumstances can help. I really
>> think it's time to write it up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 6:16 PM Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Judith
>>> This is not true please.
>>> Rebalancing was a key issue from us and it's unkind to say one was not
>>> there during decision making or recommendations. I followed most of
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>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 8:11 PM Judith Hellerstein <
>>> judith at jhellerstein.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Julf,
>>>> Caleb was right. These actions occurred during the NomCom Review
>>>> Committee.  there were many protests by other groups and as NCSG or NPOC
>>>> did not have a rep on this committee or if they did the rep was not active
>>>> so when these decisions were made to take out the rebalancing from the
>>>> recommendations there was no one there to oppose it and change people’s
>>>> minds. I had asked this question when the public comment first came out and
>>>> it had the rebalancing issues still there by mistake and this is the
>>>> answers and information I was given by the people on the committee.
>>>>
>>>> As such Rebalancing was removed from the recommendations and was taken
>>>> out of the public comment.  As much issues were made after the fact, it was
>>>> decided that advice would be sought from each of the SOs and ACs and other
>>>> groups on how best to do the rebalancing.  That advice was given but not
>>>> sure whatever happened to it.
>>>>
>>>> We will just have to wait for an answer from theCEO and Board.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Judith
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> judith at jhellerstein.com
>>>> Skype ID:JudithHellerstein
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 5, 2024, at 2:46 PM, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <
>>>> muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Julf,
>>>>
>>>> The board did not remove any recommendations. A vote was put forward in
>>>> the NomCom RIWG from what I understand and we did not have an NCSG rep on
>>>> the ground during that meeting the recommendation votes were maded to push
>>>> for a consensus to retain recommendation 10l
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2024 at 1:30 PM Johan Helsingius via Ncuc-discuss <
>>>> ncuc-discuss at lists.ncuc.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for the useful information, Remmy,
>>>>>
>>>>> > The final recommendations were made including our desire to increase
>>>>> and
>>>>> > re-balance the slots and were submitted to the ICANN board and it
>>>>> did
>>>>> > not sail through as expected. (Raoul Plommer can also add a voice
>>>>> here)
>>>>>
>>>>> I am, like Pedro, a bit confused about this - did the team actually
>>>>> recommend re-balancing, but the board removed it, or did the team
>>>>> decide to remove the recommendation from the final version that
>>>>> went to the board?
>>>>>
>>>>> > On the call for term duration, I would advise that current
>>>>> appointees
>>>>> > have 1 additional year, since that would mean they are not returning
>>>>> and
>>>>> > must have availed some ‘knowledge transfer’ on the new or incoming
>>>>> > appointees before their final exit thereafter.
>>>>>
>>>>> That would be the sensible thing to do, yes, but that doesn't seem
>>>>> to be what the recommendation says.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Julf
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Caleb Ogundele*
>>>> Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
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