<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry for overposting on this topic - an important blog post was published by the time I sent the last message here, but I had not seen it then - <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/blogs/details/chairs-blog-previewing-the-june-board-workshop-and-icann80-05-06-2024-en">the Board seems to be discussing the rebalancing of NomCom in ICANN80</a>:</div><div><br></div><div style="margin-left:40px">Reviews: The Board Organizational Effectiveness Committee will facilitate a discussion on two pending recommendations from the second Organizational Review of the Nominating Committee (NomCom): NomCom appointments of "Unaffiliated" Board Directors <b><u>and the rebalancing of the NomCom</u></b>. Each of these topics <i>has</i> significant governance implications for ICANN. The aim of this discussion is to find suitable channels within the Board to further progress the discussion of these remaining topics.</div><div><br></div><div>Help a newbie here: this does indicate that the door may still be open for us to try something in the following months, right?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cordially,<br></div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><b>Pedro de Perdigão Lana</b><br></font></font></span><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.nic.br/" target="_blank">Lawyer</a>, </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.gedai.com.br/" target="_blank">GEDAI/UFPR</a> Researcher</font></font></span></font></font></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2">PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)</font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"> </font></font></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2">Board Member @ </font></font></span><span style="font-family:times new roman,serif"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.ncuc.org/" target="_blank">NCUC (ICANN)</a>,</font><font size="1"><font size="2"> </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://isoc.org.br/" target="_blank">ISOC BR</a></font></font></span>, </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://br.creativecommons.net/" target="_blank">CC Brasil</a></font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"> and <a href="https://ioda.org.br/" target="_blank">IODA</a></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></div><div><font size="1"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif">This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). If received by mistake, please reply informing it.</span></font></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em qui., 6 de jun. de 2024 às 09:23, Remmy Nweke <<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com">remmyn@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Thanks Pedro<br>
At least you find out to the extent what transpired.<br>
I am in support that since this opportunity is open and we are eager to follow through, we can lead the initiative than waiting to be invited to the table.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Leading the discussion early enough gives us an advantage.</p>
<p dir="ltr">But first let's put our house in order by ensuring that our position(s) is well articulated with outlines, while taking our comments request seriously whenever such call is made and available.<br>
Regards </p>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 6 Jun 2024, 03:03 Judith Hellerstein, <<a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com" target="_blank">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<p>HI Farzi,</p>
<p>I think that is good. We need to find a solution. I agree that
the recommendations should not have been removed, but it was and
there is nothing we can do right now. That ship has sailed
already. <br>
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<p>None of the other constituencies wanted to restart the process,
they voted to go forward with the other recommendations and move
forward. It seems the Board also agreed. The Board and NomCom are
now implementing what was in the recommendations and the public
comments.</p>
<p>We need to find out from the Board and from Sally about what
happened with all the advice that all the constituencies sent her
with regard to her letter. Also, what she plans on doing? The
rebalancing issues were taken off the public comment proceedings
that went out to the community and that the community responded
to. The pressure on rebalancing is what led to her letter to the
constituencies about what should be done, but this was given last
year and nothing has been done since. So now is the time for
action, however, we should also be realistic in what we hope to
accomplish<br>
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<p>I think your suggestion is a good one. Let me know how I can help</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Judith<br>
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think the ship of holding the reps accountable has sailed, we
should move on (or talk about it on another thread). </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">we
need to look for a solution and re-open the issue. How could
they actually do a vote without the affected parties present!
Obviously the community does not want to support a fair
outcome for NCSG. So we need to re-open the issue and the
recommendation should not have been removed. Many issues when
there is a power imbalance should not be solely decided by the
community. Because the community can be biased. We have to
explain that this recommendation was to rectify an inherent
unfairness and imbalance, and the majority of community should
not have removed the recommendation. Because it affected the
minority that is at a disadvantage. How we do the rebalancing
is another topic. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">So
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an open letter to the Board nicely worded. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">2)
a nicely worded blog. which in these circumstances can help. I
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<div>This is not true please.
<div>Rebalancing was a key issue from us and it's unkind
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<div dir="auto">Hi Julf,
<div>Caleb was right. These actions occurred during the
NomCom Review Committee. there were many protests by
other groups and as NCSG or NPOC did not have a rep on
this committee or if they did the rep was not active
so when these decisions were made to take out the
rebalancing from the recommendations there was no one
there to oppose it and change people’s minds. I had
asked this question when the public comment first came
out and it had the rebalancing issues still there by
mistake and this is the answers and information I was
given by the people on the committee. </div>
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<div>As such Rebalancing was removed from the
recommendations and was taken out of the public
comment. As much issues were made after the fact, it
was decided that advice would be sought from each of
the SOs and ACs and other groups on how best to do the
rebalancing. That advice was given but not sure
whatever happened to it. </div>
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<div>We will just have to wait for an answer from theCEO
and Board.</div>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>Judith </div>
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<div>The board did not remove any
recommendations. A vote was put forward in the
NomCom RIWG from what I understand and we did
not have an NCSG rep on the ground during that
meeting the recommendation votes were maded to
push for a consensus to retain recommendation
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2024 at 1:30 PM Johan Helsingius via
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you for the useful information, Remmy,<br>
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> The final recommendations were made
including our desire to increase and <br>
> re-balance the slots and were submitted
to the ICANN board and it did <br>
> not sail through as expected. (Raoul
Plommer can also add a voice here)<br>
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I am, like Pedro, a bit confused about this -
did the team actually<br>
recommend re-balancing, but the board removed
it, or did the team<br>
decide to remove the recommendation from the
final version that<br>
went to the board?<br>
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> On the call for term duration, I would
advise that current appointees <br>
> have 1 additional year, since that would
mean they are not returning and <br>
> must have availed some ‘knowledge
transfer’ on the new or incoming <br>
> appointees before their final exit
thereafter.<br>
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That would be the sensible thing to do, yes,
but that doesn't seem<br>
to be what the recommendation says.<br>
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