NCSG Travel Policy Lacks Inclusivity Please

Sat Jul 7 18:01:35 EEST 2018

Sounds autocratic to me. My way or the highway approach instead of
listening/considering what Remmy has to say.

Remy's response earlier saying "demands" also resembles a toddler throwing
a tantrum.

Clearly the topic is sensitive but there should be room for equal
participation and inclusivity.

As someone who has no interest whatsoever in the travel slots, I think
there should be at least some give and take.

On Sun, 8 Jul 2018, 10:48 am farzaneh badii, <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am not going to turn a blind eye to this response Sala because I think
> members need to know. Face to face meetings are critical for networking and
> representation when someone has something to represent . When someone has
> participated  in the past that can carry out meaningful networking.  When
> someone has created a venue and an agenda. Traveling doesn't bring
> incentive to involve. And it harms the constituency and the stakeholder
> group and regions when people without meaningful participation, without an
> agenda attend multiple meetings.
>
> If finance committee at some point has concrete plans that can advance
> ncsg interest that requires them to attend an Icann meeting, then sure.
> They just have to apply and convince ncsg ec. As I said we will just remove
> the language about committees altogether.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:56 PM Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro <
> sala at pasifikanexus.nu> wrote:
>
>> +1 Remmy excellent suggestion and great work. Good to access transcripts
>> as Stephanie mentioned.
>>
>> Face to face meetings are critical although bulk of the work done is
>> often done outside these f2f meetings but it does not negate the need for
>> physical representation and networking that happens with coming on site.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 8 Jul 2018, 9:51 am Remmy Nweke, <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Stephanie for the comments.
>>>
>>> Frankly speaking we are building the Finance Committee from scratch and
>>> actually held our first meeting last week as the current NCSG-FC as follow
>>> up of ICANN62.
>>>
>>> Hence we are surprised that out of two committees statutorily under NCSG
>>> and little concern is given in strengthening the other and pray that
>>> changes soon.
>>>
>>> Also We are in the process of getting some first hand updates to
>>> facilitate agenda for future meeting calls within the NCSG-FC specifics.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>> On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:39 pm Stephanie Perrin, <
>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am impressed Remmy, I had no idea you folks were doing all that
>>>> work!  Can you please point us to the meeting transcripts and mailing list
>>>> archives?  I would like to catch up.  I am on the GNSO Council finance
>>>> committee, but was unaware all this work was going on within NCSG.
>>>> Perhaps the Finance Committee should have a regular update agenda item at
>>>> the monthly NCSG Policy Meeting call?
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie Perrin
>>>> On 2018-07-07 16:08, Remmy Nweke wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the response Farzaneh,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think it would amount to not wanting to make Finance Committee
>>>> improve on its working processes and mandate to sound it off as mere
>>>> “protecting the interest of members or wanting to score travel slot” which
>>>> I think negates the purpose of the Finance Committee or probably why it has
>>>> been in comatose lately.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For your information, the role and mandate of Finance Committee as
>>>> contained in the NCSG Charter Section 2.6 is very clear and is not limited
>>>> to the following:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Develop and deploy a fund raising plan for the NCSG;
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Work with the ICANN’s staff to determine levels of support available to
>>>> the NCSG;
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Work with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and its
>>>> Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN;
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Accounting for any funds received by the NCSG from any source. This
>>>> accounting will include the following:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All funds raised by voluntary membership fees or otherwise must be held
>>>> in a separate NCSG account.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Proper controls must be implemented.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regarding Expenditures, FC is to among others see that:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Financial reports must be prepared annually and be made public.
>>>>
>>>> Provide internal conflict resolution process regarding funds.
>>>>
>>>> Provide the oversight of the Treasurer function.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial
>>>> requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for organizations
>>>> within the ICANN structure.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For now, the present crop of FC are not people who are merely seeking
>>>> exposure, but want to contribute its quota, and thus find it unhealthy that
>>>> Finance Committee is being relegated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Looking at most of the responsibilities of the Finance Committee, its
>>>> stakeholders  and possible time for most of its functions and
>>>> oversights must be dealt with within the ICANN stakeholdes meeting for
>>>> proper engagement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Finally, its in the best interest of *NCSG-EC* that the Finance
>>>> Committee work and works well, so as to pave way for more accountability
>>>> and transparency in our process and overtly more funding for our
>>>> stakeholders.
>>>>
>>>> We cannot be demanding accountability and transparency from other
>>>> stakeholders and tactically frustrate the efforts of Finance Committee
>>>> thereby making the committee look as irredeemables.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Remmy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> On 7 Jul 2018 9:39 pm, "Stephanie Perrin" <
>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am impressed Remmy, I had no idea you folks were doing all that work!
>>> Can you please point us to the meeting transcripts and mailing list
>>> archives?  I would like to catch up.  I am on the GNSO Council finance
>>> committee, but was unaware all this work was going on within NCSG.
>>> Perhaps the Finance Committee should have a regular update agenda item at
>>> the monthly NCSG Policy Meeting call?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Stephanie Perrin
>>> On 2018-07-07 16:08, Remmy Nweke wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the response Farzaneh,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it would amount to not wanting to make Finance Committee improve
>>> on its working processes and mandate to sound it off as mere “protecting
>>> the interest of members or wanting to score travel slot” which I think
>>> negates the purpose of the Finance Committee or probably why it has been in
>>> comatose lately.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For your information, the role and mandate of Finance Committee as
>>> contained in the NCSG Charter Section 2.6 is very clear and is not limited
>>> to the following:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Develop and deploy a fund raising plan for the NCSG;
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Work with the ICANN’s staff to determine levels of support available to
>>> the NCSG;
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Work with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and its
>>> Constituencies receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN;
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Accounting for any funds received by the NCSG from any source. This
>>> accounting will include the following:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All funds raised by voluntary membership fees or otherwise must be held
>>> in a separate NCSG account.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Proper controls must be implemented.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding Expenditures, FC is to among others see that:
>>>
>>>
>>> Financial reports must be prepared annually and be made public.
>>>
>>> Provide internal conflict resolution process regarding funds.
>>>
>>> Provide the oversight of the Treasurer function.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fulfill any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial
>>> requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for organizations
>>> within the ICANN structure.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For now, the present crop of FC are not people who are merely seeking
>>> exposure, but want to contribute its quota, and thus find it unhealthy that
>>> Finance Committee is being relegated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking at most of the responsibilities of the Finance Committee, its
>>> stakeholders  and possible time for most of its functions and
>>> oversights must be dealt with within the ICANN stakeholdes meeting for
>>> proper engagement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Finally, its in the best interest of *NCSG-EC* that the Finance
>>> Committee work and works well, so as to pave way for more accountability
>>> and transparency in our process and overtly more funding for our
>>> stakeholders.
>>>
>>> We cannot be demanding accountability and transparency from other
>>> stakeholders and tactically frustrate the efforts of Finance Committee
>>> thereby making the committee look as irredeemables.
>>>
>>>
>>> Remmy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
> Farzaneh
>
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