<div dir="auto">Sounds autocratic to me. My way or the highway approach instead of listening/considering what Remmy has to say.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Remy's response earlier saying "demands" also resembles a toddler throwing a tantrum.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Clearly the topic is sensitive but there should be room for equal participation and inclusivity.<br><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As someone who has no interest whatsoever in the travel slots, I think there should be at least some give and take.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, 8 Jul 2018, 10:48 am farzaneh badii, <<a href="mailto:farzaneh.badii@gmail.com">farzaneh.badii@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div><div><div dir="auto">I am not going to turn a blind eye to this response Sala because I think members need to know. Face to face meetings are critical for networking and representation when someone has something to represent . When someone has participated in the past that can carry out meaningful networking. When someone has created a venue and an agenda. Traveling doesn't bring incentive to involve. And it harms the constituency and the stakeholder group and regions when people without meaningful participation, without an agenda attend multiple meetings. </div></div></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If finance committee at some point has concrete plans that can advance ncsg interest that requires them to attend an Icann meeting, then sure. They just have to apply and convince ncsg ec. As I said we will just remove the language about committees altogether.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 5:56 PM Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro <<a href="mailto:sala@pasifikanexus.nu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">sala@pasifikanexus.nu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>+1 Remmy excellent suggestion and great work. Good to access transcripts as Stephanie mentioned.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Face to face meetings are critical although bulk of the work done is often done outside these f2f meetings but it does not negate the need for physical representation and networking that happens with coming on site.</div></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr">On Sun, 8 Jul 2018, 9:51 am Remmy Nweke, <<a href="mailto:remmyn@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">remmyn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Thanks Stephanie for the comments.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Frankly speaking we are building the Finance Committee from scratch and actually held our first meeting last week as the current NCSG-FC as follow up of ICANN62.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hence we are surprised that out of two committees statutorily under NCSG and little concern is given in strengthening the other and pray that changes soon.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Also We are in the process of getting some first hand updates to facilitate agenda for future meeting calls within the NCSG-FC specifics.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Regards</div><div dir="auto">Remmy</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, 7 Jul 2018 9:39 pm Stephanie Perrin, <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I am impressed Remmy,
I had no idea you folks were doing all that work! Can you
please point us to the meeting transcripts and mailing list
archives? I would like to catch up. I am on the GNSO Council
finance committee</font></font>, <font size="+1">but was
unaware all this work was going on within NCSG. Perhaps the
Finance Committee should have a regular update agenda item at
the monthly NCSG Policy Meeting call?</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Kind regards, <br>
</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Stephanie Perrin</font><br>
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for the response Farzaneh,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">I
think it would
amount to not wanting to make Finance Committee improve on
its working
processes and mandate to sound it off as mere “protecting
the interest of
members or wanting to score travel slot” which I think
negates the purpose of
the Finance Committee or probably why it has been in
comatose lately. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">For
your information,
the role and mandate of Finance Committee as contained in
the NCSG Charter Section
2.6 is very clear and is not limited to the following:<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Develop
and deploy a fund raising plan for the NCSG;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Work
with the ICANN’s staff to determine levels of support
available to
the NCSG;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Work
with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and its
Constituencies
receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Accounting
for any funds received by the NCSG from any source. This
accounting will include the following:<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">All
funds raised by voluntary membership fees or otherwise must be
held
in a separate NCSG account.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Proper
controls must be implemented.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Regarding
Expenditures, FC is to among others see that:<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Financial
reports must be prepared annually and be made public.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Provide
internal conflict resolution process regarding funds.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Provide
the oversight of the Treasurer function.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Fulfill
any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial
requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for
organizations within
the ICANN structure.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">For
now, the present crop of FC are not people who are merely
seeking
exposure, but want to contribute its quota, and thus find it
unhealthy that
Finance Committee is being relegated.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Looking
at most of the responsibilities of the Finance Committee, its
stakeholders<span> </span>and possible time for most
of its functions and oversights must be dealt with within the
ICANN stakeholdes
meeting for proper engagement.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Finally,
its in the best interest of <b>NCSG-EC</b> that the Finance
Committee
work and works well, so as to pave way for more accountability
and transparency
in our process and overtly more funding for our stakeholders.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">We
cannot be demanding accountability and transparency from other
stakeholders and tactically frustrate the efforts of Finance
Committee thereby
making the committee look as irredeemables.<span></span></p>
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="Lucida Grande">I am impressed Remmy,
I had no idea you folks were doing all that work! Can you
please point us to the meeting transcripts and mailing list
archives? I would like to catch up. I am on the GNSO Council
finance committee</font></font>, <font size="+1">but was
unaware all this work was going on within NCSG. Perhaps the
Finance Committee should have a regular update agenda item at
the monthly NCSG Policy Meeting call?</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Kind regards, <br>
</font></p>
<p><font size="+1">Stephanie Perrin</font><br>
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<div class="m_4260637398723672521m_6310092535739950235m_4572742918351088833m_-5890393260975312585m_-428565952341211899m_5994039188499986622m_-8241667756424689435moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-07-07 16:08, Remmy Nweke wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34);background:white">Thanks
for the response Farzaneh,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">I
think it would
amount to not wanting to make Finance Committee improve on
its working
processes and mandate to sound it off as mere “protecting
the interest of
members or wanting to score travel slot” which I think
negates the purpose of
the Finance Committee or probably why it has been in
comatose lately. <span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">For
your information,
the role and mandate of Finance Committee as contained in
the NCSG Charter Section
2.6 is very clear and is not limited to the following:<span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><span> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Develop
and deploy a fund raising plan for the NCSG;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Work
with the ICANN’s staff to determine levels of support
available to
the NCSG;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Work
with ICANN finance officers to insure the NCSG and its
Constituencies
receive fair and equivalent financial support from ICANN;<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Accounting
for any funds received by the NCSG from any source. This
accounting will include the following:<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">All
funds raised by voluntary membership fees or otherwise must be
held
in a separate NCSG account.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Proper
controls must be implemented.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Regarding
Expenditures, FC is to among others see that:<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Financial
reports must be prepared annually and be made public.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Provide
internal conflict resolution process regarding funds.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Provide
the oversight of the Treasurer function.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Fulfill
any other accounting, auditing or other prescribed financial
requirements as set by the ICANN Board of Directors for
organizations within
the ICANN structure.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">For
now, the present crop of FC are not people who are merely
seeking
exposure, but want to contribute its quota, and thus find it
unhealthy that
Finance Committee is being relegated.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Looking
at most of the responsibilities of the Finance Committee, its
stakeholders<span> </span>and possible time for most
of its functions and oversights must be dealt with within the
ICANN stakeholdes
meeting for proper engagement.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Finally,
its in the best interest of <b>NCSG-EC</b> that the Finance
Committee
work and works well, so as to pave way for more accountability
and transparency
in our process and overtly more funding for our stakeholders.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">We
cannot be demanding accountability and transparency from other
stakeholders and tactically frustrate the efforts of Finance
Committee thereby
making the committee look as irredeemables.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><br>
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