Meeting with CEO

[dorothy g]

Thanks Farzi, great points.

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 6:27 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I just had the call with CEO we discussed diversity and notes will be out
> which I will share with you as soon as I get them.
>
> I think when we talk about diversity at ICANN we have to divide between
> what community does and what ICANN org does. Because the CEO does not and
> cannot get involved with community decisions and appointments.
>
>  who makes decisions and on what: Board members are either appointed by
> SO/ACs or are appointed by NomCom. If you want to make a change in their
> procedures to consider diversity better (which they have been) then you
> need to comment on nomcom review etc. Or you can bring up  the issues  in
> our meetings. Or you can tell the chair of NCSG you want to send a letter
> to them. CEO can't do anything with the diversity of SSAC. This is why we
> do all the reviews.
>
> the community comes up with the regional strategy. Arsene has been
> involved with Africa strategy. Anyone else been involved? ICANN implements
> it with the community oversight. Again this falls back on the community to
> comment on the strategy document, tell ICANN how it wants it to be
> implemented.
>
> ICANN org decides on meeting locations. they are aware of the visa issues
> and on many occasions (last time as well) we raised this problem and tried
> to solve it. We got Arsene who could not get a visa to Panama to get his
> travel arranged earlier for Barcelona. Again we have to give more feedback
> and complain.
>
> Also there is an option of going to the complaint officer if you see that
> ICANN org does not take action. But then going to complaint officer has to
> be about ICANN org's decisions and not the community.
>
> It is important to talk about diversity. I think we need diverse views
> about what tools members need to get engaged with policy at ICANN (I did
> not receive many answers on that) . we should have come up with a better
> trend and strategy document that would include diversity (again not many
> comments on that, even attendance at the meeting was poor).
>
>  I think ICANN should proactively enhance diversity and pay attention to
> it, and if they don't we should write to them and tell them about it. But
> when it comes to community decisions, the ball is in our court, it's the
> matter of catching it.
>
> Best
>
> Farzaneh
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 12:32 PM dorothy g <dgdorothydg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear M. Folly,  Also look at the regional distribution of Board members.
>>
>> best
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Farell FOLLY <farell at benin2point0.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Amr,
>>>
>>> I am NOT sure about the objective of your question regarding why people
>>> are asking about issues related to diversity. For the sake of my own
>>> understanding, I would like to know whether you are attending the meeting
>>> with CEO alongside Farzaneh.
>>>
>>> I would like to elaborate on the issue since I am part of those who
>>> tackled it. I don’t know if you followed our discussions within this
>>> mailing list for the last year…. I think the question was raised many times
>>> and even some public comments pointed it out elegantly (for instance our
>>> comments on the CCWG-Accountability WS2 draft report, also during the
>>> diversity questionnaire, fellowship programme, etc. just to name a few)
>>> .
>>>
>>> An official ICANN’s report
>>> <https://www.afnic.fr/medias/documents/Dossiers_pour_actualites/2016_Icann_Diversity_Data.pdf> (in
>>> 2016) clearly showed the Org’s figures regarding diversity and many
>>> recommendations have made to improve those figures. Therefore, it seems legitimate
>>> to me to take any opportunity to tackle this issue. And as you have a
>>> concrete exemple regarding visas for meetings, there are many others things
>>> to tackle (maybe not during a single meeting with the CEO, but critical to
>>> address by us as noncommercial users.).  Recently we had a public comment
>>> on an SSAC review and diversity of the membership was one of the issue that
>>> was addressed by us as NCSG. Certainly, it does not make sense, at this
>>> stage, to ask such an operational question to a CEO but it worths knowing
>>> his vision/goals/achievements at a strategic level. Addressing one thing at
>>> a time will be helpful and will eradicate the issue on a long-term
>>>
>>>
>>> There are already bylaws and GNSO operating provisions that address
>>> diversity issues. Are those inadequate? If so, then why? How can they be
>>> improved?
>>>
>>>
>>> If the bylaws alone were sufficient, the ICANN diversity report would
>>> have shown only positive figures and drawn only positive conclusions, but
>>> it was not the case. That says it all. Concrete actions at a both strategic
>>> and ops levels are required and we have the duty to monitor them continuously
>>> and assess their effectiveness and efficiency.
>>>
>>>
>>> @__f_f__
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> ____________________________________
>>>
>>> (Ekue) Farell FOLLY
>>> NCUC Rep. to the NCSG Policy Committee
>>> linkedin.com/in/farellf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 Aug 2018, at 14:45, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at ICANNPOLICY.NINJA> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would very much like some elaboration on the diversity concern, so
>>> would be grateful for any elaborations that could be provided. What
>>> specific concerns do folks have regarding diversity, and are there any
>>> concrete solutions any of the many proponents for this topic would like to
>>> propose?
>>>
>>> There are already bylaws and GNSO operating provisions that address
>>> diversity issues. Are those inadequate? If so, then why? How can they be
>>> improved?
>>>
>>> The issue of improving the process to secure visas for ICANN meeting
>>> participants is a concrete example that I can support. Might be a good
>>> topic to bring up, but I’m trying to understand what the broader concerns
>>> might be, especially that there seem to be so many who believe that
>>> improvements to diversity is desirable.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Amr
>>>
>>> On Aug 16, 2018, at 11:08 PM, MAURICIA ABDOL <ladymauriciaa12 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Farazaneh,
>>>
>>> I am interested in knowing how ICANN intends ensuring diversity is
>>> observed throughout the organisation especially at the key decision making
>>> tables.
>>>
>>> I am happy to elaborate if necessary.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Mauricia
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 Aug 2018 10:36 pm, "Mamadou LO" <alfamamadou at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 Benjamin on broader participation regarding visas and venues.
>>> Cordially
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Message d'origine --------
>>> De : Benjamin Akinmoyeje <benakin at GMAIL.COM>
>>> Date : 16/08/2018 17:27 (GMT+00:00)
>>> À : NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>>> Objet : Re: Meeting with CEO
>>>
>>> Dear Farzenah,
>>> Awesome that you have another opportunity to interact with ICANN CEO, my
>>> topics of interest include the ones already expressed by Dororthy G and
>>> Wisdom  ie broader participation in ICANN and helping improve access to
>>> ICANN meetings especially when considering venues.
>>>
>>> He should shed more light on how far ICANN is willing to go in adopting
>>> open data .
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Benjamin
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 4:07 PM Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.
>>> utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you have references for the case law James?
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie
>>>> On 2018-08-15 13:18, James Gannon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would disagree as would some case law.
>>>> Having been the subject of near interrogation over the same topic I
>>>> speak from experience.
>>>>
>>>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 19:10, Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree. There is a strong public interest to tracking expenses of this
>>>> type. I don't consider the fact that a person has requested/received an
>>>> exemption to be particularly sensitive, given that there's no need to
>>>> publish any details about the specifics underlying that exemption (the
>>>> actual medical information).
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is a legitimate concern, but it something that can be managed.
>>>>> Other organisations which publish similar data (government, grant issuing
>>>>> agencies) have ways of managing this, which ICANN might be able to learn
>>>>> from.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 16:41, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The concern I know was raised previously is that it can be determined
>>>>> who has asked and received a medical exemption from the travel and flight
>>>>> policy hence may be considered for those people personal information.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 16:19, Ayden Férdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Claire,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it is a balancing act, but with the exception of names, the
>>>>> travel report does not directly contain any personal information. It used
>>>>> to have the cost of a flight, for instance - but never the city of
>>>>> departure or any other identifying information. Much like we expect elected
>>>>> representatives in government to disclose their expenses, I think it is
>>>>> reasonable for those who are receiving financial support from ICANN to
>>>>> disclose the extent of this relationship by way of documents like the
>>>>> travel report.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 15:03, Claire Craig <claireccraig at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting Ayden. We really have to insist on balancing transparency
>>>>> and privacy otherwise, before we know it everything could be justified and
>>>>> private hence outside of the purview of the community.
>>>>> CCC
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 at 17:55, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Farzi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While we would certainly like to see ICANN act in a more
>>>>>> privacy-minded fashion, we would also like to see ICANN remain
>>>>>> appropriately transparent and accountable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It might be worth asking to see the Privacy Impact Assessment (if
>>>>>> any) that ICANN org conducted prior to redacting the travel reports of all
>>>>>> meaningful data. They are now useless, as the financial information has
>>>>>> been redacted, with ICANN org attributing this change to “privacy laws.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14 Aug 2018, at 23:49, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear members
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will have a meeting with the CEO on Friday the 17th. The issues
>>>>>> that I have in mind to discuss with him are:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unified  Access Model and NCSG perspective. (we had some preliminary
>>>>>> discussions on the list about it, hopefully, we will have some common
>>>>>> positions which I can relay on Friday.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cross Community Sessions and dominance of the organizer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The need to have a more privacy-minded ICANN org and community
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is quite a full agenda and he would want to also talk about
>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please comment on the current issues by tomorrow and let me know if
>>>>>> you have any other topic you would like to be discussed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Farzaneh
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