Meeting with CEO

Fri Aug 17 13:27:29 EEST 2018

I just had the call with CEO we discussed diversity and notes will be out
which I will share with you as soon as I get them.

I think when we talk about diversity at ICANN we have to divide between
what community does and what ICANN org does. Because the CEO does not and
cannot get involved with community decisions and appointments.

 who makes decisions and on what: Board members are either appointed by
SO/ACs or are appointed by NomCom. If you want to make a change in their
procedures to consider diversity better (which they have been) then you
need to comment on nomcom review etc. Or you can bring up  the issues  in
our meetings. Or you can tell the chair of NCSG you want to send a letter
to them. CEO can't do anything with the diversity of SSAC. This is why we
do all the reviews.

the community comes up with the regional strategy. Arsene has been involved
with Africa strategy. Anyone else been involved? ICANN implements it with
the community oversight. Again this falls back on the community to comment
on the strategy document, tell ICANN how it wants it to be implemented.

ICANN org decides on meeting locations. they are aware of the visa issues
and on many occasions (last time as well) we raised this problem and tried
to solve it. We got Arsene who could not get a visa to Panama to get his
travel arranged earlier for Barcelona. Again we have to give more feedback
and complain.

Also there is an option of going to the complaint officer if you see that
ICANN org does not take action. But then going to complaint officer has to
be about ICANN org's decisions and not the community.

It is important to talk about diversity. I think we need diverse views
about what tools members need to get engaged with policy at ICANN (I did
not receive many answers on that) . we should have come up with a better
trend and strategy document that would include diversity (again not many
comments on that, even attendance at the meeting was poor).

 I think ICANN should proactively enhance diversity and pay attention to
it, and if they don't we should write to them and tell them about it. But
when it comes to community decisions, the ball is in our court, it's the
matter of catching it.

Best

Farzaneh

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 12:32 PM dorothy g <dgdorothydg at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear M. Folly,  Also look at the regional distribution of Board members.
>
> best
>
> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 3:05 PM, Farell FOLLY <farell at benin2point0.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Amr,
>>
>> I am NOT sure about the objective of your question regarding why people
>> are asking about issues related to diversity. For the sake of my own
>> understanding, I would like to know whether you are attending the meeting
>> with CEO alongside Farzaneh.
>>
>> I would like to elaborate on the issue since I am part of those who
>> tackled it. I don’t know if you followed our discussions within this
>> mailing list for the last year…. I think the question was raised many times
>> and even some public comments pointed it out elegantly (for instance our
>> comments on the CCWG-Accountability WS2 draft report, also during the
>> diversity questionnaire, fellowship programme, etc. just to name a few).
>>
>> An official ICANN’s report
>> <https://www.afnic.fr/medias/documents/Dossiers_pour_actualites/2016_Icann_Diversity_Data.pdf> (in
>> 2016) clearly showed the Org’s figures regarding diversity and many
>> recommendations have made to improve those figures. Therefore, it seems legitimate
>> to me to take any opportunity to tackle this issue. And as you have a
>> concrete exemple regarding visas for meetings, there are many others things
>> to tackle (maybe not during a single meeting with the CEO, but critical to
>> address by us as noncommercial users.).  Recently we had a public comment
>> on an SSAC review and diversity of the membership was one of the issue that
>> was addressed by us as NCSG. Certainly, it does not make sense, at this
>> stage, to ask such an operational question to a CEO but it worths knowing
>> his vision/goals/achievements at a strategic level. Addressing one thing at
>> a time will be helpful and will eradicate the issue on a long-term
>>
>>
>> There are already bylaws and GNSO operating provisions that address
>> diversity issues. Are those inadequate? If so, then why? How can they be
>> improved?
>>
>>
>> If the bylaws alone were sufficient, the ICANN diversity report would
>> have shown only positive figures and drawn only positive conclusions, but
>> it was not the case. That says it all. Concrete actions at a both strategic
>> and ops levels are required and we have the duty to monitor them continuously
>> and assess their effectiveness and efficiency.
>>
>>
>> @__f_f__
>>
>> Best Regards
>> ____________________________________
>>
>> (Ekue) Farell FOLLY
>> NCUC Rep. to the NCSG Policy Committee
>> linkedin.com/in/farellf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 17 Aug 2018, at 14:45, Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at ICANNPOLICY.NINJA> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would very much like some elaboration on the diversity concern, so
>> would be grateful for any elaborations that could be provided. What
>> specific concerns do folks have regarding diversity, and are there any
>> concrete solutions any of the many proponents for this topic would like to
>> propose?
>>
>> There are already bylaws and GNSO operating provisions that address
>> diversity issues. Are those inadequate? If so, then why? How can they be
>> improved?
>>
>> The issue of improving the process to secure visas for ICANN meeting
>> participants is a concrete example that I can support. Might be a good
>> topic to bring up, but I’m trying to understand what the broader concerns
>> might be, especially that there seem to be so many who believe that
>> improvements to diversity is desirable.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Amr
>>
>> On Aug 16, 2018, at 11:08 PM, MAURICIA ABDOL <ladymauriciaa12 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Farazaneh,
>>
>> I am interested in knowing how ICANN intends ensuring diversity is
>> observed throughout the organisation especially at the key decision making
>> tables.
>>
>> I am happy to elaborate if necessary.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Mauricia
>>
>>
>> On 16 Aug 2018 10:36 pm, "Mamadou LO" <alfamamadou at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1 Benjamin on broader participation regarding visas and venues.
>> Cordially
>>
>>
>>
>> Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
>>
>>
>> -------- Message d'origine --------
>> De : Benjamin Akinmoyeje <benakin at GMAIL.COM>
>> Date : 16/08/2018 17:27 (GMT+00:00)
>> À : NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
>> Objet : Re: Meeting with CEO
>>
>> Dear Farzenah,
>> Awesome that you have another opportunity to interact with ICANN CEO, my
>> topics of interest include the ones already expressed by Dororthy G and
>> Wisdom  ie broader participation in ICANN and helping improve access to
>> ICANN meetings especially when considering venues.
>>
>> He should shed more light on how far ICANN is willing to go in adopting
>> open data .
>>
>> Regards,
>> Benjamin
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 4:07 PM Stephanie Perrin <
>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you have references for the case law James?
>>>
>>> Stephanie
>>> On 2018-08-15 13:18, James Gannon wrote:
>>>
>>> I would disagree as would some case law.
>>> Having been the subject of near interrogation over the same topic I
>>> speak from experience.
>>>
>>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 19:10, Michael Karanicolas <mkaranicolas at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree. There is a strong public interest to tracking expenses of this
>>> type. I don't consider the fact that a person has requested/received an
>>> exemption to be particularly sensitive, given that there's no need to
>>> publish any details about the specifics underlying that exemption (the
>>> actual medical information).
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 11:56 AM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is a legitimate concern, but it something that can be managed.
>>>> Other organisations which publish similar data (government, grant issuing
>>>> agencies) have ways of managing this, which ICANN might be able to learn
>>>> from.
>>>>
>>>> Ayden
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 16:41, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The concern I know was raised previously is that it can be determined
>>>> who has asked and received a medical exemption from the travel and flight
>>>> policy hence may be considered for those people personal information.
>>>>
>>>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 16:19, Ayden Férdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Claire,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it is a balancing act, but with the exception of names, the travel
>>>> report does not directly contain any personal information. It used to have
>>>> the cost of a flight, for instance - but never the city of departure or any
>>>> other identifying information. Much like we expect elected representatives
>>>> in government to disclose their expenses, I think it is reasonable for
>>>> those who are receiving financial support from ICANN to disclose the extent
>>>> of this relationship by way of documents like the travel report.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>>
>>>> On 15 Aug 2018, at 15:03, Claire Craig <claireccraig at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Interesting Ayden. We really have to insist on balancing transparency
>>>> and privacy otherwise, before we know it everything could be justified and
>>>> private hence outside of the purview of the community.
>>>> CCC
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 at 17:55, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Farzi,
>>>>>
>>>>> While we would certainly like to see ICANN act in a more
>>>>> privacy-minded fashion, we would also like to see ICANN remain
>>>>> appropriately transparent and accountable.
>>>>>
>>>>> It might be worth asking to see the Privacy Impact Assessment (if any)
>>>>> that ICANN org conducted prior to redacting the travel reports of all
>>>>> meaningful data. They are now useless, as the financial information has
>>>>> been redacted, with ICANN org attributing this change to “privacy laws.”
>>>>>
>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14 Aug 2018, at 23:49, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear members
>>>>>
>>>>> I will have a meeting with the CEO on Friday the 17th. The issues that
>>>>> I have in mind to discuss with him are:
>>>>>
>>>>> Unified  Access Model and NCSG perspective. (we had some preliminary
>>>>> discussions on the list about it, hopefully, we will have some common
>>>>> positions which I can relay on Friday.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cross Community Sessions and dominance of the organizer
>>>>>
>>>>> The need to have a more privacy-minded ICANN org and community
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is quite a full agenda and he would want to also talk about
>>>>> issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please comment on the current issues by tomorrow and let me know if
>>>>> you have any other topic you would like to be discussed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>
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