[NCSG-PC] [Call for Volunteers] Appointment of representative and alternate to the PPSAI IRT

Tomslin Samme-Nlar mesumbeslin at gmail.com
Mon Jun 3 06:00:33 EEST 2024 

Hi members,

I haven't heard back on this. So, I am following up to know whether the PC
should proceed with appointing a representative to the IRT or decline to.

Warmly,
Tomslin

On Tue, 28 May 2024, 09:53 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for the comments @farzi, @Kathy, @Ponce and @Pedro.
>
> @Pedro, you ask an important question, "*are we ... appointing volunteers
> while we wait for the GNSO council to act or is it better to refuse to
> nominate someone for now*? ". I wait to hear what our members think.
>
> On the GNSO action side of things, Find my a brief of what has transpired
> in the council since 2019 on this topic below but I'd also like input from @Stephanie
> Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> who is one of the council
> liaisons to the PPSAI IRT:
>
> - As a result of potential conflicts and/or overlap of work between the
> PPSAI IRT and GDPR-related work in EPDP on Temp Spec, in March 2019,  ICANN
> org asked the GNSO Council, “whether ICANN org should continue to delay
> public comment and implementation of PPSAI or take additional steps pending
> completion of the EPDP in consultation with the PPSAI Implementation Review
> Team (IRT).
> - Council responded to Org saying, “*given the divergent views among
> Councilors* and considering the respective roles of ICANN Org in leading
> implementation work of consensus policy recommendations and the PPSAI IRT
> in overseeing the implementation work, the GNSO *Council considers it
> appropriate to defer the decision on this issue to ICANN org and the PPSAI
> IRT*, taking into account the various views of the SOs and ACs.”
> [emphasis added]
> - On 2 March 2021, ICANN org delivered the Wave 1.5 Report
> <https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/2021-March/024506.html> to the
> GNSO Council, which included a detailed analysis of the extent to which the
> EPDP Phase 1 recommendations may require modification to the PPSAI and
> Translation & Transliteration policies, which are in the policy
> implementation phase. Following review of the Wave 1.5 Report, the Council
> observed the following in its 1 July 2021 letter [gnso.icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/fouquart-to-lentz-01jul21-en.pdf__;!!PtGJab4!72Ceiu66uyoV0OHChjdR9frkPlBYYXnOJZ5zB8r86XzWBmEUoVf8ybKlInPdH4obWmz6r2jOJd6I6Op0U5lFnsYtCg$>
> :
>
>
>
>    - *The decision to pause the implementation of the PPSAI and
>    Translation & Transliteration policy recommendations was a decision that
>    was made by ICANN org, not the GNSO Council. As such, the Council is of the
>    view that a decision to restart the implementation activities is not within
>    the remit of the GNSO Council but for ICANN org* to make.
>    - *Should any policy issues arise during the implementation of these
>    policy recommendations, there are processes and procedures that allow the
>    Council to further consider these*, but the Council is of the view
>    that the respective Implementation Review Teams (IRTs) will be best placed
>    to identify such possible issues.
>    - The Council would also like to point to the letter
>    <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/namazi-to-drazek-et-al-05sep19-en.pdf>
>    that was sent to the Council in September 2019 in which it was noted that
>    “following the completion of relevant EPDP work, ICANN org will reassess
>    the existing draft PP materials in consultation with the PPSAI IRT and
>    determine how to proceed with implementation of the Privacy and Proxy
>    Services Accreditation Program”. From a Council’s perspective this still
>    seems a relevant and timely next step.
>
> So, as you can see, the council holds the view that if there are issues
> arising in the policy as drafted during implementation, they are confident
> that the issues can be addressed with existing processes and procedures.
>
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
>
>
> On Tue, 28 May 2024 at 07:06, Pedro de Perdigão Lana <
> pedrodeperdigaolana at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Regarding the strategy on how to approach this problem, are we
>> nonetheless appointing volunteers while we wait for the GNSO council to act
>> or is it better to refuse to nominate someone for now?
>>
>> Cordially,
>>
>> *Pedro de Perdigão Lana*
>> Lawyer <https://www.nic.br/>, GEDAI/UFPR <https://www.gedai.com.br/>
>> Researcher
>> PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)
>> Board Member @ CC Brasil <https://br.creativecommons.net/>, ISOC BR
>> <https://isoc.org.br/> and IODA <https://ioda.org.br/>
>> This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). If received by
>> mistake, please reply informing it.
>>
>>
>> Em seg., 27 de mai. de 2024 às 11:35, Poncelet Ileleji <
>> pileleji at jokkolabs.co> escreveu:
>>
>>> +1 kathy +1 Farzi, I can't agree more
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>>>
>>> On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 1:46 PM Kathy Kleiman <kathy at dnrc.tech> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  +1 to Farzi, and an Implementation Review Team (run by ICANN Staff) is
>>>> hardly the place to state that the law has gone in a completely different
>>>> direction since the original Policy was negotiated.  No one on  the ICANN
>>>> Board or Staff feels empowered to "stop this train" although it is eight
>>>> years old and badly out of date.
>>>>
>>>> *That power rests in the GNSO Council. Can we (NCSG), through our
>>>> Councilors, call for a legal review of the proposed PPSAI for problems (if
>>>> any) with its underlying legal foundation in light of the adoption of GDPR
>>>> and over half the countries of the world now following the European
>>>> "comprehensive right of privacy"? *
>>>>
>>>> Best and asking all of our current Councilors (past and future ones
>>>> too),
>>>>
>>>> Kathy
>>>> On 5/27/2024 9:26 AM, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tomslin,
>>>>
>>>> This is a bit odd. Didn’t we discuss that most of those policy
>>>> recommendations were outdated and could not be implemented? Are they hoping
>>>> that by doing the IRT we can undertake feasibility for the recommendations?
>>>>
>>>> This is why I did suggest considering time limits for implementing
>>>> policies. You can’t come up with a policy and then want to enforce it 8
>>>> years later! Especially in the technology space, that is not possible.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 5:53 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <
>>>> mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear members,
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a request from Org for SG/Cs to appoint a representative and
>>>>> an alternate to the PPSAI IRT. We (NCSG) had concerns with the IRT going
>>>>> ahead but as you can see, Org is still going ahead with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> NCSG is seeking a representative and an alternate. Please read below
>>>>> for details of the role of the representative and on what the IRT will be
>>>>> doing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Send your EOI to me (mesumbeslin at gmail.com) copying Julf (
>>>>> julf at julf.com) and Andrea (andrea.glandon at icann.org) no later than
>>>>> Friday May 31st 2023 for the policy committee's review.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warmly,
>>>>> Tomslin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>> Subject:        [GNSO-SG-C-Leadership] Appointment of representative
>>>>> and
>>>>> alternate to the PPSAI IRT
>>>>> Date:   Tue, 21 May 2024 19:59:02 +0000
>>>>> From:   Dennis Chang via GNSO-SG-C-Leadership
>>>>> <gnso-sg-c-leadership at icann.org>
>>>>> Reply-To:       Dennis Chang <dennis.chang at icann.org>
>>>>> To:     gnso-sg-c-leadership at icann.org <gnso-sg-c-leadership at icann.org
>>>>> >
>>>>> CC:     Leon Grundmann <leon.grundmann at icann.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Following the publication of the Call for Volunteers
>>>>> <
>>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann-seeks-volunteers-for-the-ppsai-implementation-review-team-20-05-2024-en>,
>>>>>
>>>>> the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
>>>>> organization (org) is pleased to invite you to nominate a
>>>>> representative
>>>>> and an alternate to the Proxy & Privacy Services (PPSAI) policy
>>>>> Implementation Review Team (IRT).
>>>>>
>>>>> The implementation process is an ICANN org-driven exercise.  ICANN org
>>>>> plans to employ the “Open + Representative Model” piloted on the
>>>>> Subsequent Procedures IRT and based on the GNSO’s PDP 3.0 model
>>>>> <
>>>>> https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/pdp-3-2-working-group-models-10feb20-en.pdf.pdf>.
>>>>>
>>>>> The goal is to provide a structure that allows for efficient
>>>>> resolution
>>>>> of issues that may occur.
>>>>>
>>>>> We kindly ask that your group nominate up to one representative and up
>>>>> to one alternate to participate in the IRT. Please note, we are asking
>>>>> each of ICANN’s supporting organizations, advisory committees,
>>>>> stakeholder groups and constituencies to nominate up to one
>>>>> representative and one alternate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Putting forward a representative and alternate is optional; all
>>>>> members
>>>>> of the GNSO Group are welcome to join the IRT as participants. In
>>>>> fact,
>>>>> we urge anyone who is interested in being selected as a representative
>>>>> to join the IRT as a participant first (call for volunteers
>>>>> <
>>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann-seeks-volunteers-for-the-ppsai-implementation-review-team-20-05-2024-en>).
>>>>>
>>>>> As you will see below, the roles of participants and representatives
>>>>> are
>>>>> nearly identical, with the representatives’ main function being that
>>>>> of
>>>>> an information-bridge to their community groups.
>>>>>
>>>>> ICANN org plans to host the first IRT call during the ICANN80 public
>>>>> meeting in June 2024. We do not require the nominees for the first
>>>>> meeting, but request that you conclude the nomination process and
>>>>> inform
>>>>> us of the nominees as soon as feasible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why Have Representatives?
>>>>>
>>>>> While participants always speak in their own personal capacity,
>>>>> representatives are expected to speak on behalf of their constituency,
>>>>> stakeholder group, supporting organization, or advisory committee.
>>>>> Therefore, a key part of the representative’s role will be to engage
>>>>> actively and consistently with their colleagues to ensure they can
>>>>> convey their group’s viewpoints to the IRT. Please note, that this
>>>>> will
>>>>> require an efficient process for representatives to inform and receive
>>>>> input from their respective groups. To put this into place will be the
>>>>> responsibility of each representative.
>>>>>
>>>>> In addition, when determining the level of consensus in the
>>>>> circumstance
>>>>> described in Section V.E. of the IRT Principles & Guidelines
>>>>> <
>>>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irt-principles-guidelines-23aug16-en.pdf>,
>>>>>
>>>>> the GNSO Liaison, in the Open + Representative model, shall take into
>>>>> consideration that members who are representatives are expected to
>>>>> express the viewpoint of their respective community groups and
>>>>> participants to express their own views. This does not impact each
>>>>> member’s ability to raise any concern they may have, nor does it
>>>>> absolve
>>>>> ICANN org or the GNSO Council liaison from “exercis[ing] all
>>>>> reasonable
>>>>> efforts to resolve disagreements” within the IRT.
>>>>>
>>>>> More information can be found on this PPSAI IRT wiki page
>>>>> <https://community.icann.org/x/lQDSEw>.  We are looking forward to
>>>>> getting the IRT underway and, please, do not hesitate to reach out
>>>>> should you have any questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis S. Chang
>>>>>
>>>>> GDD Programs Director
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone: +1 213 293 7889
>>>>>
>>>>> Sykpe: dennisSchang
>>>>>
>>>>> www.icann.org <http://www.icann.org>  One World – One Internet
>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> Kathy Kleiman
>>>> Past President, Domain Name Rights Coalition
>>>>
>>>>
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