<div dir="auto"><div><div>Hi members,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I haven't heard back on this. So, I am following up to know whether the PC should proceed with appointing a representative to the IRT or decline to.</div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Warmly, <br>Tomslin</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 28 May 2024, 09:53 Tomslin Samme-Nlar, <<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks for the comments @farzi, @Kathy, @Ponce and @Pedro.</div><div><br></div><div>@Pedro, you ask an important question, "<b>are we ... appointing volunteers while we wait for the GNSO
council to act or is it better to refuse to nominate someone for now</b>?
". I wait to hear what our members think. <br></div><div><br></div><div>On the GNSO action side of things, Find my
a brief of what has transpired in the council since 2019 on this topic below but I'd also like input from <a class="gmail_plusreply" id="m_3679384296626479845plusReplyChip-6" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">@Stephanie Perrin</a> who is one of the council liaisons to the PPSAI IRT:</div><div><br></div><div>- As a result of potential conflicts and/or overlap of work between the PPSAI IRT and GDPR-related work in EPDP on Temp Spec, in March 2019, ICANN org asked the GNSO Council, “whether ICANN org should continue to delay public comment and implementation of PPSAI or take additional steps pending completion of the EPDP in consultation with the PPSAI Implementation Review Team (IRT). <br></div><div>- Council responded to Org saying, “<b><i>given the divergent views among Councilors</i></b> and considering the respective roles of ICANN Org in leading implementation work of consensus policy recommendations and the PPSAI IRT in overseeing the implementation work, the GNSO <b>Council considers it appropriate to defer the decision on this issue to ICANN org and the PPSAI IRT</b>, taking into account the various views of the SOs and ACs.” [emphasis added]</div><div>- <span style="color:black">On 2 March 2021, ICANN org delivered the
</span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/council/2021-March/024506.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">Wave 1.5 Report</span></a><span style="color:black"> to the GNSO Council, which included a detailed analysis of the extent to which the EPDP Phase 1 recommendations
may require modification to the <span>PPSAI</span> and
Translation & Transliteration policies, which are in the policy
implementation phase. Following review of the Wave 1.5 Report, the
Council observed the following in its
</span><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/fouquart-to-lentz-01jul21-en.pdf__;!!PtGJab4!72Ceiu66uyoV0OHChjdR9frkPlBYYXnOJZ5zB8r86XzWBmEUoVf8ybKlInPdH4obWmz6r2jOJd6I6Op0U5lFnsYtCg$" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"><span style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">1
July 2021 letter</span> [gnso.icann.org]</a><span style="color:black">:</span>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;vertical-align:baseline">
<b>The decision to pause the implementation of the <span>PPSAI</span>
and Translation & Transliteration policy recommendations was a
decision that was made by ICANN org, not the GNSO Council. As such, the
Council is of the view that a decision to restart the implementation
activities is not within the remit of the GNSO Council but for ICANN
org</b> to make.</li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;vertical-align:baseline">
<b>Should any policy issues arise during the implementation of these policy
recommendations, there are processes and procedures that allow the
Council to further consider these</b>, but the Council is of the view that
the respective Implementation Review Teams (IRTs)
will be best placed to identify such possible issues.</li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;vertical-align:baseline">
The Council would also like to point to the <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/namazi-to-drazek-et-al-05sep19-en.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">
<span style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">letter</span></a> that was sent to the
Council in September 2019 in which it was noted that “following the
completion of relevant EPDP work, ICANN org will reassess the existing
draft PP materials in consultation with the <span>PPSAI</span>
IRT
and determine how to proceed with implementation of the Privacy and
Proxy Services Accreditation Program”. From a Council’s perspective this
still seems a relevant and timely next step.</li></ul>
</div><div>So, as you can see, the council holds the view that if there are issues arising in the policy as drafted during implementation, they are confident that the issues can be addressed with existing processes and procedures.<br></div><div><a class="gmail_plusreply" id="m_3679384296626479845plusReplyChip-4" rel="noreferrer"><br></a></div><div><a class="gmail_plusreply" id="m_3679384296626479845plusReplyChip-4" rel="noreferrer"><br></a></div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Warmly,<br></div>Tomslin<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 28 May 2024 at 07:06, Pedro de Perdigão Lana <<a href="mailto:pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pedrodeperdigaolana@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>Regarding the strategy on how to approach this problem, are we nonetheless appointing volunteers while we wait for the GNSO council to act or is it better to refuse to nominate someone for now?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cordially,</div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><b>Pedro de Perdigão Lana</b><br></font></font></span><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.nic.br/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Lawyer</a>, </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://www.gedai.com.br/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">GEDAI/UFPR</a> Researcher</font></font></span></font></font></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2">PhD Candidate (UFPR), LLM in Business Law (UCoimbra)</font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"> </font></font></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2">Board Member @ <a href="https://br.creativecommons.net/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">CC Brasil</a>, </font></font></span><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"><font size="1"><font size="2"><a href="https://isoc.org.br/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">ISOC BR</a></font></font></span> and <a href="https://ioda.org.br/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">IODA</a></font></font></span></div><div><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif"></span></div><div><font size="1"><span style="font-family:garamond,times new roman,serif">This message is restricted to the sender and recipient(s). If received by mistake, please reply informing it.</span></font></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em seg., 27 de mai. de 2024 às 11:35, Poncelet Ileleji <<a href="mailto:pileleji@jokkolabs.co" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">pileleji@jokkolabs.co</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">+1 kathy +1 Farzi, I can't agree more <br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><b><font face="monospace">Poncelet O. Ileleji<br></font></b></div><div><b><font face="monospace">Jokkolabs Banjul - Lead / CEO<br></font></b></div><div><b><font face="monospace">Sait Matty Road, Bakau, Adjacent to Swedish Consulate</font></b></div><div><b><font face="monospace">KMC, The Gambia</font></b></div><div><b><font face="monospace">P O Box 4496 Bakau,KMC, The Gambia</font></b></div><div><b><font face="monospace">Skype: pons_utd</font></b></div><div><b><font face="monospace">Tel Direct Office: +220 4495115</font></b></div><div><b><font face="monospace">Tel Mobile/Whatsapp: +220 9912508<br></font></b></div><b><font face="monospace">LinkedIn: Jokkolabs Banjul<br></font></b><div><b><font face="monospace">Facebook: Jokkolabs Banjul</font></b></div><div><b><font face="monospace">Twitter: @jBanjul</font></b></div><div><b><font face="monospace"><br></font></b></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 1:46 PM Kathy Kleiman <kathy@dnrc.tech> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div>
<p> +1 to Farzi, and an Implementation Review Team (run by ICANN
Staff) is hardly the place to state that the law has gone in a
completely different direction since the original Policy was
negotiated. No one on the ICANN Board or Staff feels empowered
to "stop this train" although it is eight years old and badly out
of date.</p>
<p><b>That power rests in the GNSO Council. <i>Can we (NCSG),
through our Councilors, call for a legal review of the
proposed PPSAI for problems (if any) with its underlying legal
foundation in light of the adoption of GDPR and over half the
countries of the world now following the European
"comprehensive right of privacy"?</i> </b> <br>
</p>
<p>Best and asking all of our current Councilors (past and future
ones too), <br>
</p>
<p>Kathy<br>
</p>
<div>On 5/27/2024 9:26 AM, farzaneh badii
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hi Tomslin,</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">This is a bit odd. Didn’t we discuss that most of
those policy recommendations were outdated and could not be
implemented? Are they hoping that by doing the IRT we can
undertake feasibility for the recommendations? </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">This is why I did suggest considering time limits
for implementing policies. You can’t come up with a policy and
then want to enforce it 8 years later! Especially in the
technology space, that is not possible. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Best regards </div>
<div dir="auto"><br clear="all">
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<div><font style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0)" face="verdana, sans-serif">Farzaneh </font></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 27, 2024 at
5:53 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">
<div>
<div>Dear members, </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">There is a request from Org for SG/Cs to
appoint a representative and an alternate to the PPSAI
IRT. We (NCSG) had concerns with the IRT going ahead
but as you can see, Org is still going ahead with it. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div>NCSG is seeking a representative and an alternate.
Please read below for details of the role of the
representative and on what the IRT will be doing.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Send your EOI to me (<a href="mailto:mesumbeslin@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">mesumbeslin@gmail.com</a>)
copying Julf (<a href="mailto:julf@julf.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">julf@julf.com</a>) and
Andrea (<a href="mailto:andrea.glandon@icann.org" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">andrea.glandon@icann.org</a>)
no later than Friday May 31st 2023 for the policy
committee's review.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div>Warmly, <br>
Tomslin</div>
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<br>
-------- Forwarded Message --------<br>
Subject: [GNSO-SG-C-Leadership] Appointment of
representative and <br>
alternate to the PPSAI IRT<br>
Date: Tue, 21 May 2024 19:59:02 +0000<br>
From: Dennis Chang via GNSO-SG-C-Leadership <br>
<<a href="mailto:gnso-sg-c-leadership@icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-sg-c-leadership@icann.org</a>><br>
Reply-To: Dennis Chang <<a href="mailto:dennis.chang@icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">dennis.chang@icann.org</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:gnso-sg-c-leadership@icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-sg-c-leadership@icann.org</a>
<<a href="mailto:gnso-sg-c-leadership@icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">gnso-sg-c-leadership@icann.org</a>><br>
CC: Leon Grundmann <<a href="mailto:leon.grundmann@icann.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">leon.grundmann@icann.org</a>><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Dear All,<br>
<br>
Following the publication of the Call for Volunteers <br>
<<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann-seeks-volunteers-for-the-ppsai-implementation-review-team-20-05-2024-en" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann-seeks-volunteers-for-the-ppsai-implementation-review-team-20-05-2024-en</a>>,
<br>
the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
Numbers (ICANN) <br>
organization (org) is pleased to invite you to
nominate a representative <br>
and an alternate to the Proxy & Privacy Services
(PPSAI) policy <br>
Implementation Review Team (IRT).<br>
<br>
The implementation process is an ICANN org-driven
exercise. ICANN org <br>
plans to employ the “Open + Representative Model”
piloted on the <br>
Subsequent Procedures IRT and based on the GNSO’s PDP
3.0 model <br>
<<a href="https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/pdp-3-2-working-group-models-10feb20-en.pdf.pdf" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/file/field-file-attach/pdp-3-2-working-group-models-10feb20-en.pdf.pdf</a>>.
<br>
The goal is to provide a structure that allows for
efficient resolution <br>
of issues that may occur.<br>
<br>
We kindly ask that your group nominate up to one
representative and up <br>
to one alternate to participate in the IRT. Please
note, we are asking <br>
each of ICANN’s supporting organizations, advisory
committees, <br>
stakeholder groups and constituencies to nominate up
to one <br>
representative and one alternate.<br>
<br>
Putting forward a representative and alternate is
optional; all members <br>
of the GNSO Group are welcome to join the IRT as
participants. In fact, <br>
we urge anyone who is interested in being selected as
a representative <br>
to join the IRT as a participant first (call for
volunteers <br>
<<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann-seeks-volunteers-for-the-ppsai-implementation-review-team-20-05-2024-en" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/announcements/details/icann-seeks-volunteers-for-the-ppsai-implementation-review-team-20-05-2024-en</a>>).
<br>
As you will see below, the roles of participants and
representatives are <br>
nearly identical, with the representatives’ main
function being that of <br>
an information-bridge to their community groups.<br>
<br>
ICANN org plans to host the first IRT call during the
ICANN80 public <br>
meeting in June 2024. We do not require the nominees
for the first <br>
meeting, but request that you conclude the nomination
process and inform <br>
us of the nominees as soon as feasible.<br>
<br>
Why Have Representatives?<br>
<br>
While participants always speak in their own personal
capacity, <br>
representatives are expected to speak on behalf of
their constituency, <br>
stakeholder group, supporting organization, or
advisory committee. <br>
Therefore, a key part of the representative’s role
will be to engage <br>
actively and consistently with their colleagues to
ensure they can <br>
convey their group’s viewpoints to the IRT. Please
note, that this will <br>
require an efficient process for representatives to
inform and receive <br>
input from their respective groups. To put this into
place will be the <br>
responsibility of each representative.<br>
<br>
In addition, when determining the level of consensus
in the circumstance <br>
described in Section V.E. of the IRT Principles &
Guidelines <br>
<<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irt-principles-guidelines-23aug16-en.pdf" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irt-principles-guidelines-23aug16-en.pdf</a>>,
<br>
the GNSO Liaison, in the Open + Representative model,
shall take into <br>
consideration that members who are representatives are
expected to <br>
express the viewpoint of their respective community
groups and <br>
participants to express their own views. This does not
impact each <br>
member’s ability to raise any concern they may have,
nor does it absolve <br>
ICANN org or the GNSO Council liaison from
“exercis[ing] all reasonable <br>
efforts to resolve disagreements” within the IRT.<br>
<br>
More information can be found on this PPSAI IRT wiki
page <br>
<<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/lQDSEw" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/x/lQDSEw</a>>.
We are looking forward to <br>
getting the IRT underway and, please, do not hesitate
to reach out <br>
should you have any questions.<br>
<br>
-- <br>
<br>
Kind Regards,<br>
<br>
Dennis S. Chang<br>
<br>
GDD Programs Director<br>
<br>
Phone: +1 213 293 7889<br>
<br>
Sykpe: dennisSchang<br>
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