[NCSG-PC] Fwd: [gnso-chairs] GNSO/GAC dialogue on closed generics: selection of GNSO participants

Kathy Kleiman Kathy at KathyKleiman.com
Mon Sep 12 17:40:49 EEST 2022


Great Tomslin, and tx you!

Please pass my name along - with a special request for the first meeting 
(or informal meeting) of this group on Wednesday or Thursday of the 
ICANN meeting!

Best, Kathy

On 9/12/2022 4:25 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
> Hi Kathy,
>
> My bad. I misunderstood the request. I am happy with the proposal of 
> an unofficial alternate.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> On Sat, 10 Sept 2022, 00:47 Kathy Kleiman, <Kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:
>
>     Hi Tomslin and All,
>
>     Tx for your support and your response.  I should note that my
>     request below is not for an "official alternate," but an
>     "/unofficial alternate/*" *and I'm glad Stephanie supports.  ALAC
>     is already planning to do so, and it is a very wise thing for us
>     to do as well. I'm afraid I must insist.
>
>     ICANN in these small groups can be all consuming and many people
>     who participate on these teams are paid fulltime to do so (as I
>     was when I was Director of Policy for .ORG). Our IPC friend, when
>     they appoint Paul McGrady, will certainly be paid for his
>     participation - and he does work for Amazon.
>
>     Like ALAC, we are really the only true volunteers in this
>     process.  Accordingly, we cannot drop everything and abandon the
>     work that we do to put bread on our tables.  We also can't go
>     crazy trying to make meetings that may conflict with requirements
>     of our jobs and families.  Unfair requirements is why NCSG and
>     NCUC over the years has not participated in many roles of
>     leadership and involvement across ICANN.
>
>     So the only thing that makes sense is reasonable backup- an
>     /unofficial/ alternate.  It may not be part of the official rules,
>     but it is a "reasonable accommodation" for parents and mothers and
>     "reasonable accommodation" is a legal term of art in the US - for
>     making sure that everyone can participate regardless of circumstances.
>
>     ALAC will be taking these approach - an informal alternate.
>     Together (and this is not your job or Manju's), we can make the
>     sound argument that true volunteers need informal alternates to
>     cover meetings the main representative simply can't make - and
>     meetings too important to miss (which is any of them).  ICANN
>     needs its "watchers" in place...
>
>     For my peace of mind, as I start a busy book tour (we launched on
>     Wednesday in NYC at the engineering school of Cooper Union!), we
>     will need this unofficial alternate.  It is the right thing to do
>     for NCSG and good precedent for days to come.
>
>     Best, Kathy
>
>     On 9/7/2022 4:54 PM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>     Hi Kathy,
>>
>>     Thanks for volunteering. Really appreciate it because with the
>>     short window and skills required,  it would have been very
>>     difficult to get a volunteer. So, thank you!
>>
>>     Regarding your recommendation that we appoint an official
>>     alternate, I am afraid that is not possible as stipulated on the
>>     candidate guidance document I attached to my previous email. And
>>     more we are now also past the negotiation phase in the Council.
>>     The guidance document is now the rule book for appointing
>>     members. What we could do is to pull you out as member in the
>>     event that you can't attend and appoint George instead.
>>
>>     Please let us know and apologies that Manju and I were unable to
>>     secure an official alternate for NCSG during the drafting and
>>     discussion of the text.
>>
>>     Warmly,
>>     Tomslin
>>
>>     On Thu, 8 Sept 2022, 00:01 Kathy Kleiman,
>>     <Kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi Tomslin and All,
>>
>>         I would like to recommend that I be appointed with George
>>         Sadowsky as an unofficial alternate. George as you know as an
>>         ICANN Board member for many years. But few know that before
>>         that he was a founding member of NCUC (NCSG would not be
>>         created for about decade after).  In 1999, George was with
>>         New York University as IT director and joined us in founding
>>         NCUC and attending early meetings. We were his initial link
>>         to ICANN!
>>
>>         He has now applied to join NCSG.  Some Board members leave
>>         ICANN forever, but those who remain, tend to go back to the
>>         groups they came from. I hope we will approve his membership.
>>         And then I hope we can allow him to work with me on the
>>         Closed Generics issues. He is an expert on this issue from
>>         his time on the Board and knows how difficult and complicated
>>         it is.  He helped make sure we heard from noncommercial
>>         organizations around the world before passing the first ban
>>         on Closed Generics. Later, when the Subsequent Procedures
>>         Working Group was looking closely at this issue, George (at
>>         my invitation) joined the Working Group to again share the
>>         complexities and potential problems of Closed Generics from
>>         his perspective (which include his more recent experience
>>         with many United Nations organizations).
>>
>>         While technically the job is supposed to be for one person,
>>         it is too big for one volunteer (note: some attorneys will be
>>         paid by their clients and law firms to participate fully in
>>         this new group and there is a reason for that). ALAC plans to
>>         appoint a primary person and a backup person if the primary
>>         person cannot attend a meeting or discussion. Since I will be
>>         on book tour with my new book about the ENIAC Programmers,
>>         */Proving Ground, /*I think it would be good idea for us to
>>         have a similar arrangement. We don't want to miss a single
>>         Closed Generic meeting!
>>
>>         Best and tx,
>>
>>         Kathy
>>
>>         On 9/6/2022 8:41 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>>         FYI, PC.
>>>
>>>         I am still waiting on guidance from Bruna but I just wanted
>>>         to bring to your attention this statement in the meantime "
>>>         /*This group would ideally have a first informal meeting
>>>         during ICANN 75, so we would appreciate if you would let us
>>>         know the name of your representative ideally by September
>>>         19^th */."
>>>         It means we have only 2 weeks to name a representative for
>>>         this. I don't think it'll be a problem since Kathy Kleinman
>>>         had indicated interest already and was granted funding to KL
>>>         based on that interest but I thought I'd flag the urgency to
>>>         the whole committee.
>>>
>>>         Warmly,
>>>         Tomslin
>>>         @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>>>
>>>
>>>         ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>         From: *philippe.fouquart--- via Gnso-chairs*
>>>         <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>>         Date: Fri, 2 Sept 2022 at 22:01
>>>         Subject: [gnso-chairs] GNSO/GAC dialogue on closed generics:
>>>         selection of GNSO participants
>>>         To: mason.cole at appdetex.com <mason.cole at appdetex.com>,
>>>         wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de
>>>         <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de>, lschulman at inta.org
>>>         <lschulman at inta.org>, bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>>         <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, plommer at gmail.com
>>>         <plommer at gmail.com>, benakin at gmail.com <benakin at gmail.com>,
>>>         aheineman at godaddy.com <aheineman at godaddy.com>,
>>>         sdemetriou at verisign.com <sdemetriou at verisign.com>,
>>>         chair at rysg.info <chair at rysg.info>, secretariat at rysg.info
>>>         <secretariat at rysg.info>, secretariat at icannregistrars.org
>>>         <secretariat at icannregistrars.org>
>>>         Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>,
>>>         gnso-chairs at icann.org <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, council at gnso
>>>         icann. org <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Dear SG/C leaders,
>>>
>>>         Hope this email finds you all well.
>>>
>>>         As you know, following an invitation from the Board, the
>>>         GNSO and the GAC will enter into a dialogue to “formulate a
>>>         workable framework to identify and handle closed generic
>>>         applications for the immediate next round of new gTLDs”, and
>>>         in this dialogue we will be joined by ALAC.
>>>
>>>         Council leadership would like to invite each Stakeholder
>>>         Group to select a representative for this dialogue. This
>>>         group is would ideally have a first informal meeting during
>>>         ICANN 75, so we would appreciate if you would let us know
>>>         the name of your representative ideally by September 19^th .
>>>
>>>         The attached document provides the guidance for this
>>>         appointment.
>>>
>>>         I would finally like to draw your attention to the spirit of
>>>         involvement in this effort:
>>>
>>>           * the framework discussion will focus on options other
>>>             than the two endpoint positions (i.e. no closed generics
>>>             at all; closed generics without restrictions) as per the
>>>             Board’s Proposed Parameters for Dialogue
>>>           * the participants will "contribute as independent
>>>             individuals, bringing their individual experiences and
>>>             expertise, and not serve as representatives of their
>>>             respective community organization(s). The participants
>>>             must commit to focusing on successfully developing a
>>>             framework for closed generics, even if the end product
>>>             is inconsistent with the goals or priorities of the
>>>             participant or the participant's SO/AC/SG/C.” (Council
>>>             small team report)
>>>
>>>         Looking forward to hearing from you, and wishing you all
>>>         safe travels to KL.
>>>
>>>         Best regards,
>>>
>>>         Philippe
>>>
>>>         Board/GNSO correspondence:
>>>
>>>           * 6 Mar 2022 Letter from Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail
>>>             and Philippe Fouquart
>>>             <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-ismail-fouquart-06mar22-en.pdf> –
>>>             including the framing paper
>>>           * 27 April 2022 Letter from Philippe Fouquart to Maarten
>>>             Botterman
>>>             <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/fouquart-to-botterman-27apr22-en.pdf>
>>>           * 19 May 2022 Letter from Maarten Botterman to Philippe
>>>             Fouquart
>>>             <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-fouquart-19may22-en.pdf>
>>>           * 29 Jun 2022 Letter from Philippe Fouquart to Maarten
>>>             Botterman and Manal Ismail
>>>             <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/fouquart-to-botterman-ismail-29jun22-en.pdf>
>>>           * 25 Jul 2022 Letter from Maarten Botterman to Philippe
>>>             Fouquart and Manal Ismail
>>>             <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-fouquart-ismail-25jul22-en.pdf>
>>>
>>>         Council small team report:
>>>         https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2022/draft/draft-closed-generics-small-team-report-24jun22-en.pdf
>>>
>>>
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