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<p>Great Tomslin, and tx you! <br>
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<p>Please pass my name along - with a special request for the first
meeting (or informal meeting) of this group on Wednesday or
Thursday of the ICANN meeting!</p>
<p>Best, Kathy<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/12/2022 4:25 AM, Tomslin
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<div dir="auto">My bad. I misunderstood the request. I am
happy with the proposal of an unofficial alternate. <br>
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<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Warmly, <br>
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00:47 Kathy Kleiman, <<a
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<p>Hi Tomslin and All,</p>
<p>Tx for your support and your response. I should note
that my request below is not for an "official
alternate," but an "<i>unofficial alternate</i><b>" </b>and
I'm glad Stephanie supports. ALAC is already planning
to do so, and it is a very wise thing for us to do as
well. I'm afraid I must insist. <br>
</p>
<p>ICANN in these small groups can be all consuming and
many people who participate on these teams are paid
fulltime to do so (as I was when I was Director of
Policy for .ORG). Our IPC friend, when they appoint
Paul McGrady, will certainly be paid for his
participation - and he does work for Amazon.</p>
<p>Like ALAC, we are really the only true volunteers in
this process. Accordingly, we cannot drop everything
and abandon the work that we do to put bread on our
tables. We also can't go crazy trying to make
meetings that may conflict with requirements of our
jobs and families. Unfair requirements is why NCSG
and NCUC over the years has not participated in many
roles of leadership and involvement across ICANN.</p>
<p>So the only thing that makes sense is reasonable
backup- an <i>unofficial</i> alternate. It may not
be part of the official rules, but it is a "reasonable
accommodation" for parents and mothers and "reasonable
accommodation" is a legal term of art in the US - for
making sure that everyone can participate regardless
of circumstances.</p>
<p>ALAC will be taking these approach - an informal
alternate. Together (and this is not your job or
Manju's), we can make the sound argument that true
volunteers need informal alternates to cover meetings
the main representative simply can't make - and
meetings too important to miss (which is any of
them). ICANN needs its "watchers" in place...</p>
<p>For my peace of mind, as I start a busy book tour (we
launched on Wednesday in NYC at the engineering school
of Cooper Union!), we will need this unofficial
alternate. It is the right thing to do for NCSG and
good precedent for days to come. <br>
</p>
<p>Best, Kathy<br>
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<div dir="auto">Hi Kathy,
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<div dir="auto">Thanks for volunteering.
Really appreciate it because with the short window
and skills required, it would have been very
difficult to get a volunteer. So, thank you!</div>
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<div dir="auto">Regarding your recommendation that
we appoint an official alternate, I am afraid that
is not possible as stipulated on the candidate
guidance document I attached to my previous email.
And more we are now also past the negotiation
phase in the Council. The guidance document is now
the rule book for appointing members. What we
could do is to pull you out as member in the event
that you can't attend and appoint George instead.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Please let us know and apologies
that Manju and I were unable to secure an official
alternate for NCSG during the drafting and
discussion of the text.<br>
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<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Warmly,
<br>
Tomslin</div>
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<p>Hi Tomslin and All,</p>
<p>I would like to recommend that I be appointed
with George Sadowsky as an unofficial
alternate. George as you know as an ICANN
Board member for many years. But few know that
before that he was a founding member of NCUC
(NCSG would not be created for about decade
after). In 1999, George was with New York
University as IT director and joined us in
founding NCUC and attending early meetings. We
were his initial link to ICANN! <br>
</p>
<p>He has now applied to join NCSG. Some Board
members leave ICANN forever, but those who
remain, tend to go back to the groups they
came from. I hope we will approve his
membership. And then I hope we can allow him
to work with me on the Closed Generics issues.
He is an expert on this issue from his time on
the Board and knows how difficult and
complicated it is. He helped make sure we
heard from noncommercial organizations around
the world before passing the first ban on
Closed Generics. Later, when the Subsequent
Procedures Working Group was looking closely
at this issue, George (at my invitation)
joined the Working Group to again share the
complexities and potential problems of Closed
Generics from his perspective (which include
his more recent experience with many United
Nations organizations).</p>
<p>While technically the job is supposed to be
for one person, it is too big for one
volunteer (note: some attorneys will be paid
by their clients and law firms to participate
fully in this new group and there is a reason
for that). ALAC plans to appoint a primary
person and a backup person if the primary
person cannot attend a meeting or discussion.
Since I will be on book tour with my new book
about the ENIAC Programmers, <b><i>Proving
Ground, </i></b>I think it would be good
idea for us to have a similar arrangement. We
don't want to miss a single Closed Generic
meeting! <br>
</p>
<p>Best and tx,</p>
<p>Kathy<br>
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<div>I am still waiting on guidance from
Bruna but I just wanted to bring to your
attention this statement in the meantime "
<span lang="EN-US"><i><b>This group would
ideally have a <span
style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">first
informal meeting during ICANN 75</span>,
so we would appreciate if you would
let us know the name of your
representative ideally <span
style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">by
September 19<sup>th</sup></span></span></b></i>.</span>"
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<div>It means we have only 2 weeks to name a
representative for this. I don't think
it'll be a problem since Kathy Kleinman
had indicated interest already and was
granted funding to KL based on that
interest but I thought I'd flag the
urgency to the whole committee.<br>
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lang="EN-US">Dear SG/C
leaders,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Hope this email
finds you all well. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">As you know,
following an invitation from
the Board, the GNSO and the
GAC will enter into a dialogue
to “formulate a workable
framework to identify and
handle closed generic
applications for the immediate
next round of new gTLDs”, and
in this dialogue we will be
joined by ALAC. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Council
leadership would like to
invite each Stakeholder Group
to select a representative for
this dialogue. This group is
would ideally have a first
informal meeting during ICANN
75, so we would appreciate if
you would let us know the name
of your representative ideally
by September 19<sup>th</sup>.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">The attached
document provides the guidance
for this appointment. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">I would finally
like to draw your attention to
the spirit of involvement in
this effort:</span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm"
type="disc">
<li
style="margin-left:0cm;text-autospace:none">
<span lang="EN-US">the
framework discussion will
focus on options other than
the two endpoint positions
(i.e. no closed generics at
all; closed generics without
restrictions) as per the
Board’s Proposed Parameters
for Dialogue</span></li>
<li
style="margin-left:0cm;text-autospace:none">
<span lang="EN-US">the
participants will
"contribute as independent
individuals, bringing their
individual experiences and
expertise, and not serve as
representatives of their
respective community
organization(s). The
participants must commit to
focusing on successfully
developing a framework for
closed generics, even if the
end product is inconsistent
with the goals or priorities
of the participant or the
participant's SO/AC/SG/C.”
(Council small team report)</span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Looking forward
to hearing from you, and
wishing you all safe travels
to KL.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Best regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Philippe</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Board/GNSO
correspondence:</span></p>
<ul type="disc">
<li><a
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-ismail-fouquart-06mar22-en.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
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lang="EN-US">6 Mar 2022
Letter from Maarten
Botterman to Manal Ismail
and Philippe Fouquart</span></a><span
lang="EN-US"> – including
the framing paper</span></li>
<li><a
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/fouquart-to-botterman-27apr22-en.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span
lang="EN-US">27 April 2022
Letter from Philippe
Fouquart to Maarten
Botterman</span></a><span
lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li><a
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rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span
lang="EN-US">19 May 2022
Letter from Maarten
Botterman to Philippe
Fouquart</span></a><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></li>
<li><a
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rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
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moz-do-not-send="true"><span
lang="EN-US">29 Jun 2022
Letter from Philippe
Fouquart to Maarten
Botterman and Manal Ismail</span></a><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></li>
<li><a
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-fouquart-ismail-25jul22-en.pdf"
rel="noreferrer noreferrer"
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lang="EN-US">25 Jul 2022
Letter from Maarten
Botterman to Philippe
Fouquart and Manal Ismail</span></a><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
lang="EN-US">Council small
team report: <a
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