[NCSG-PC] Fwd: [gnso-chairs] GNSO/GAC dialogue on closed generics: selection of GNSO participants
Kathy Kleiman
Kathy at KathyKleiman.com
Mon Sep 12 16:35:23 EEST 2022
Hi Bruna and All,
Apologies for the delay. I am now "on the road" with the book tour.
Just finished two big event with lots of travel in between (why does the
US have to be so big?). Everyone loved the story of the six women who
programmed the world's first general-purpose, programmable,
all-electronic computer, so all is well! Lots of teachers, librarians,
students, tech folks and community members which was great.
Since Closed Generics was supposed to be on the agenda for KL and then
was removed from the agenda for KL, I talked with Bruna and we agreed
that I did not have to cancel my speech commitments in the US (tx you!)
I tried to fly out on Saturday, but could not, so I am flying out Sunday
and will arrive on Monday night. I will be at the meeting on Tuesday,
Wednesday, Thursday and have already started setting up post-meeting
discussions on Friday (I'm there until almost midnight).
/*Now that an informal Closed Generics meeting appears to be back on the
agenda for KL, could our Councilors ask it be scheduled on Wednesday or
Thursday? */Both days are not as busy as earlier days and should have
ample room for a meet and greet (which appears to be the idea for the
Closed Generic meeting to take place). With the short notice, I am sure
ICANN Staff will want to organize when incoming members can join the
meeting... I hope so! Tx so much for letting them know.
Tx for asking, Bruna!
Best regards and looking forward to seeing you in KL,
Kathy
On 9/8/2022 12:19 PM, Bruna Martins dos Santos wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Jumping in here just to ask whether we know about the final date for
> the meeting at ICANN75 if theres one. I think Kathy wont be there for
> the full meeting, right @Kathy Kleiman <mailto:kathy at dnrc.tech> ?
>
> best,
> B
>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 10:54 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar
> <mesumbeslin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Kathy,
>
> Thanks for volunteering. Really appreciate it because with the
> short window and skills required, it would have been very
> difficult to get a volunteer. So, thank you!
>
> Regarding your recommendation that we appoint an official
> alternate, I am afraid that is not possible as stipulated on the
> candidate guidance document I attached to my previous email. And
> more we are now also past the negotiation phase in the Council.
> The guidance document is now the rule book for appointing members.
> What we could do is to pull you out as member in the event that
> you can't attend and appoint George instead.
>
> Please let us know and apologies that Manju and I were unable to
> secure an official alternate for NCSG during the drafting and
> discussion of the text.
>
> Warmly,
> Tomslin
>
> On Thu, 8 Sept 2022, 00:01 Kathy Kleiman, <Kathy at kathykleiman.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Tomslin and All,
>
> I would like to recommend that I be appointed with George
> Sadowsky as an unofficial alternate. George as you know as an
> ICANN Board member for many years. But few know that before
> that he was a founding member of NCUC (NCSG would not be
> created for about decade after). In 1999, George was with New
> York University as IT director and joined us in founding NCUC
> and attending early meetings. We were his initial link to ICANN!
>
> He has now applied to join NCSG. Some Board members leave
> ICANN forever, but those who remain, tend to go back to the
> groups they came from. I hope we will approve his membership.
> And then I hope we can allow him to work with me on the Closed
> Generics issues. He is an expert on this issue from his time
> on the Board and knows how difficult and complicated it is.
> He helped make sure we heard from noncommercial organizations
> around the world before passing the first ban on Closed
> Generics. Later, when the Subsequent Procedures Working Group
> was looking closely at this issue, George (at my invitation)
> joined the Working Group to again share the complexities and
> potential problems of Closed Generics from his perspective
> (which include his more recent experience with many United
> Nations organizations).
>
> While technically the job is supposed to be for one person, it
> is too big for one volunteer (note: some attorneys will be
> paid by their clients and law firms to participate fully in
> this new group and there is a reason for that). ALAC plans to
> appoint a primary person and a backup person if the primary
> person cannot attend a meeting or discussion. Since I will be
> on book tour with my new book about the ENIAC Programmers,
> */Proving Ground, /*I think it would be good idea for us to
> have a similar arrangement. We don't want to miss a single
> Closed Generic meeting!
>
> Best and tx,
>
> Kathy
>
> On 9/6/2022 8:41 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>> FYI, PC.
>>
>> I am still waiting on guidance from Bruna but I just wanted
>> to bring to your attention this statement in the meantime "
>> /*This group would ideally have a first informal meeting
>> during ICANN 75, so we would appreciate if you would let us
>> know the name of your representative ideally by September
>> 19^th */."
>> It means we have only 2 weeks to name a representative for
>> this. I don't think it'll be a problem since Kathy Kleinman
>> had indicated interest already and was granted funding to KL
>> based on that interest but I thought I'd flag the urgency to
>> the whole committee.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: *philippe.fouquart--- via Gnso-chairs*
>> <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>> Date: Fri, 2 Sept 2022 at 22:01
>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] GNSO/GAC dialogue on closed generics:
>> selection of GNSO participants
>> To: mason.cole at appdetex.com <mason.cole at appdetex.com>,
>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de
>> <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de>, lschulman at inta.org
>> <lschulman at inta.org>, bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, plommer at gmail.com
>> <plommer at gmail.com>, benakin at gmail.com <benakin at gmail.com>,
>> aheineman at godaddy.com <aheineman at godaddy.com>,
>> sdemetriou at verisign.com <sdemetriou at verisign.com>,
>> chair at rysg.info <chair at rysg.info>, secretariat at rysg.info
>> <secretariat at rysg.info>, secretariat at icannregistrars.org
>> <secretariat at icannregistrars.org>
>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>,
>> gnso-chairs at icann.org <gnso-chairs at icann.org>, council at gnso
>> icann. org <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Dear SG/C leaders,
>>
>> Hope this email finds you all well.
>>
>> As you know, following an invitation from the Board, the GNSO
>> and the GAC will enter into a dialogue to “formulate a
>> workable framework to identify and handle closed generic
>> applications for the immediate next round of new gTLDs”, and
>> in this dialogue we will be joined by ALAC.
>>
>> Council leadership would like to invite each Stakeholder
>> Group to select a representative for this dialogue. This
>> group is would ideally have a first informal meeting during
>> ICANN 75, so we would appreciate if you would let us know the
>> name of your representative ideally by September 19^th .
>>
>> The attached document provides the guidance for this
>> appointment.
>>
>> I would finally like to draw your attention to the spirit of
>> involvement in this effort:
>>
>> * the framework discussion will focus on options other than
>> the two endpoint positions (i.e. no closed generics at
>> all; closed generics without restrictions) as per the
>> Board’s Proposed Parameters for Dialogue
>> * the participants will "contribute as independent
>> individuals, bringing their individual experiences and
>> expertise, and not serve as representatives of their
>> respective community organization(s). The participants
>> must commit to focusing on successfully developing a
>> framework for closed generics, even if the end product is
>> inconsistent with the goals or priorities of the
>> participant or the participant's SO/AC/SG/C.” (Council
>> small team report)
>>
>> Looking forward to hearing from you, and wishing you all safe
>> travels to KL.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Philippe
>>
>> Board/GNSO correspondence:
>>
>> * 6 Mar 2022 Letter from Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail
>> and Philippe Fouquart
>> <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-ismail-fouquart-06mar22-en.pdf> –
>> including the framing paper
>> * 27 April 2022 Letter from Philippe Fouquart to Maarten
>> Botterman
>> <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/fouquart-to-botterman-27apr22-en.pdf>
>> * 19 May 2022 Letter from Maarten Botterman to Philippe
>> Fouquart
>> <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-fouquart-19may22-en.pdf>
>> * 29 Jun 2022 Letter from Philippe Fouquart to Maarten
>> Botterman and Manal Ismail
>> <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/fouquart-to-botterman-ismail-29jun22-en.pdf>
>> * 25 Jul 2022 Letter from Maarten Botterman to Philippe
>> Fouquart and Manal Ismail
>> <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-fouquart-ismail-25jul22-en.pdf>
>>
>> Council small team report:
>> https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2022/draft/draft-closed-generics-small-team-report-24jun22-en.pdf
>>
>>
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