[NCSG-PC] Fwd: [gnso-chairs] GNSO/GAC dialogue on closed generics: selection of GNSO participants

Thu Sep 8 23:20:30 EEST 2022

Hi Bruna,

No we don't yet know. In fact, the staff team working on this was still
asking for feedback from SGs regarding their appointment progress to
determine if they will be able to have enough folks present in KL for an
informal meeting of the group.

Warmly,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/

On Fri, 9 Sept 2022 at 02:19, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Jumping in here just to ask whether we know about the final date for the
> meeting at ICANN75 if theres one. I think Kathy wont be there for the full
> meeting, right @Kathy Kleiman <kathy at dnrc.tech> ?
>
> best,
> B
>
> On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 10:54 PM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kathy,
>>
>> Thanks for volunteering. Really appreciate it because with the short
>> window and skills required,  it would have been very difficult to get a
>> volunteer. So, thank you!
>>
>> Regarding your recommendation that we appoint an official alternate, I am
>> afraid that is not possible as stipulated on the candidate guidance
>> document I attached to my previous email. And more we are now also past the
>> negotiation phase in the Council. The guidance document is now the rule
>> book for appointing members. What we could do is to pull you out as member
>> in the event that you can't attend and appoint George instead.
>>
>> Please let us know and apologies that Manju and I were unable to secure
>> an official alternate for NCSG during the drafting and discussion of the
>> text.
>>
>> Warmly,
>> Tomslin
>>
>> On Thu, 8 Sept 2022, 00:01 Kathy Kleiman, <Kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tomslin and All,
>>>
>>> I would like to recommend that I be appointed with George Sadowsky as an
>>> unofficial alternate. George as you know as an ICANN Board member for many
>>> years. But few know that before that he was a founding member of NCUC (NCSG
>>> would not be created for about decade after).  In 1999, George was with New
>>> York University as IT director and joined us in founding NCUC and attending
>>> early meetings. We were his initial link to ICANN!
>>>
>>> He has now applied to join NCSG.  Some Board members leave ICANN
>>> forever, but those who remain, tend to go back to the groups they came
>>> from. I hope we will approve his membership. And then I hope we can allow
>>> him to work with me on the Closed Generics issues. He is an expert on this
>>> issue from his time on the Board and knows how difficult and complicated it
>>> is.  He helped make sure we heard from noncommercial organizations around
>>> the world before passing the first ban on Closed Generics. Later, when the
>>> Subsequent Procedures Working Group was looking closely at this issue,
>>> George (at my invitation) joined the Working Group to again share the
>>> complexities and potential problems of Closed Generics from his perspective
>>> (which include his more recent experience with many United Nations
>>> organizations).
>>>
>>> While technically the job is supposed to be for one person, it is too
>>> big for one volunteer (note: some attorneys will be paid by their clients
>>> and law firms to participate fully in this new group and there is a reason
>>> for that). ALAC plans to appoint a primary person and a backup person if
>>> the primary person cannot attend a meeting or discussion.  Since I will be
>>> on book tour with my new book about the ENIAC Programmers, *Proving
>>> Ground, *I think it would be good idea for us to have a similar
>>> arrangement. We don't want to miss a single Closed Generic meeting!
>>>
>>> Best and tx,
>>>
>>> Kathy
>>> On 9/6/2022 8:41 AM, Tomslin Samme-Nlar wrote:
>>>
>>> FYI, PC.
>>>
>>> I am still waiting on guidance from Bruna but I just wanted to bring to
>>> your attention this statement in the meantime " *This group would
>>> ideally have a first informal meeting during ICANN 75, so we would
>>> appreciate if you would let us know the name of your representative ideally
>>> by September 19th*."
>>> It means we have only 2 weeks to name a representative for this. I don't
>>> think it'll be a problem since Kathy Kleinman had indicated interest
>>> already and was granted funding to KL based on that interest but I thought
>>> I'd flag the urgency to the whole committee.
>>>
>>> Warmly,
>>> Tomslin
>>> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>> From: philippe.fouquart--- via Gnso-chairs <gnso-chairs at icann.org>
>>> Date: Fri, 2 Sept 2022 at 22:01
>>> Subject: [gnso-chairs] GNSO/GAC dialogue on closed generics: selection
>>> of GNSO participants
>>> To: mason.cole at appdetex.com <mason.cole at appdetex.com>,
>>> wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de <wolf-ulrich.knoben at t-online.de>,
>>> lschulman at inta.org <lschulman at inta.org>, bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <
>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, plommer at gmail.com <plommer at gmail.com>,
>>> benakin at gmail.com <benakin at gmail.com>, aheineman at godaddy.com <
>>> aheineman at godaddy.com>, sdemetriou at verisign.com <sdemetriou at verisign.com>,
>>> chair at rysg.info <chair at rysg.info>, secretariat at rysg.info <
>>> secretariat at rysg.info>, secretariat at icannregistrars.org <
>>> secretariat at icannregistrars.org>
>>> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>, gnso-chairs at icann.org <
>>> gnso-chairs at icann.org>, council at gnso icann. org <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear SG/C leaders,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope this email finds you all well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As you know, following an invitation from the Board, the GNSO and the
>>> GAC will enter into a dialogue to “formulate a workable framework to
>>> identify and handle closed generic applications for the immediate next
>>> round of new gTLDs”, and in this dialogue we will be joined by ALAC.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Council leadership would like to invite each Stakeholder Group to select
>>> a representative for this dialogue. This group is would ideally have a
>>> first informal meeting during ICANN 75, so we would appreciate if you would
>>> let us know the name of your representative ideally by September 19th.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The attached document provides the guidance for this appointment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would finally like to draw your attention to the spirit of involvement
>>> in this effort:
>>>
>>>    - the framework discussion will focus on options other than the two
>>>    endpoint positions (i.e. no closed generics at all; closed generics without
>>>    restrictions) as per the Board’s Proposed Parameters for Dialogue
>>>    - the participants will "contribute as independent individuals,
>>>    bringing their individual experiences and expertise, and not serve as
>>>    representatives of their respective community organization(s). The
>>>    participants must commit to focusing on successfully developing a framework
>>>    for closed generics, even if the end product is inconsistent with the goals
>>>    or priorities of the participant or the participant's SO/AC/SG/C.” (Council
>>>    small team report)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking forward to hearing from you, and wishing you all safe travels to
>>> KL.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Philippe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Board/GNSO correspondence:
>>>
>>>    - 6 Mar 2022 Letter from Maarten Botterman to Manal Ismail and
>>>    Philippe Fouquart
>>>    <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-ismail-fouquart-06mar22-en.pdf> –
>>>    including the framing paper
>>>    - 27 April 2022 Letter from Philippe Fouquart to Maarten Botterman
>>>    <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/fouquart-to-botterman-27apr22-en.pdf>
>>>    - 19 May 2022 Letter from Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart
>>>    <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-fouquart-19may22-en.pdf>
>>>
>>>    - 29 Jun 2022 Letter from Philippe Fouquart to Maarten Botterman and
>>>    Manal Ismail
>>>    <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/fouquart-to-botterman-ismail-29jun22-en.pdf>
>>>
>>>    - 25 Jul 2022 Letter from Maarten Botterman to Philippe Fouquart and
>>>    Manal Ismail
>>>    <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-fouquart-ismail-25jul22-en.pdf>
>>>
>>>
>>> Council small team report:
>>> https://gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2022/draft/draft-closed-generics-small-team-report-24jun22-en.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
> German Chancellor Fellow 21' (Bundeskanzler-Stipendiatin) | Alexander von
> Humboldt Foundation <https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/>
>
> Visiting Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | Wissenschaftszentrum Berlin
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