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<p>Hi Bruna and All,</p>
<p>Apologies for the delay. I am now "on the road" with the book
tour. Just finished two big event with lots of travel in between
(why does the US have to be so big?). Everyone loved the story of
the six women who programmed the world's first general-purpose,
programmable, all-electronic computer, so all is well! Lots of
teachers, librarians, students, tech folks and community members
which was great.<br>
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<p>Since Closed Generics was supposed to be on the agenda for KL and
then was removed from the agenda for KL, I talked with Bruna and
we agreed that I did not have to cancel my speech commitments in
the US (tx you!) I tried to fly out on Saturday, but could not,
so I am flying out Sunday and will arrive on Monday night. I will
be at the meeting on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and have already
started setting up post-meeting discussions on Friday (I'm there
until almost midnight).</p>
<p><i><b>Now that an informal Closed Generics meeting appears to be
back on the agenda for KL, could our Councilors ask it be
scheduled on Wednesday or Thursday? </b></i>Both days are
not as busy as earlier days and should have ample room for a meet
and greet (which appears to be the idea for the Closed Generic
meeting to take place). With the short notice, I am sure ICANN
Staff will want to organize when incoming members can join the
meeting... I hope so! Tx so much for letting them know.<br>
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<p>Tx for asking, Bruna! <br>
</p>
<p>Best regards and looking forward to seeing you in KL, <br>
</p>
<p>Kathy<br>
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<div>Jumping in here just to ask whether we know about the final
date for the meeting at ICANN75 if theres one. I think Kathy
wont be there for the full meeting, right <a
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best, </div>
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<div dir="auto">Hi Kathy,
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<div dir="auto">Thanks for volunteering. Really appreciate
it because with the short window and skills required, it
would have been very difficult to get a volunteer. So,
thank you!</div>
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<div dir="auto">Regarding your recommendation that we
appoint an official alternate, I am afraid that is not
possible as stipulated on the candidate guidance document
I attached to my previous email. And more we are now also
past the negotiation phase in the Council. The guidance
document is now the rule book for appointing members. What
we could do is to pull you out as member in the event that
you can't attend and appoint George instead.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Please let us know and apologies that Manju
and I were unable to secure an official alternate for NCSG
during the drafting and discussion of the text.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Warmly, <br>
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<p>Hi Tomslin and All,</p>
<p>I would like to recommend that I be appointed with
George Sadowsky as an unofficial alternate. George as
you know as an ICANN Board member for many years. But
few know that before that he was a founding member of
NCUC (NCSG would not be created for about decade
after). In 1999, George was with New York University
as IT director and joined us in founding NCUC and
attending early meetings. We were his initial link to
ICANN! <br>
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<p>He has now applied to join NCSG. Some Board members
leave ICANN forever, but those who remain, tend to go
back to the groups they came from. I hope we will
approve his membership. And then I hope we can allow
him to work with me on the Closed Generics issues. He
is an expert on this issue from his time on the Board
and knows how difficult and complicated it is. He
helped make sure we heard from noncommercial
organizations around the world before passing the
first ban on Closed Generics. Later, when the
Subsequent Procedures Working Group was looking
closely at this issue, George (at my invitation)
joined the Working Group to again share the
complexities and potential problems of Closed Generics
from his perspective (which include his more recent
experience with many United Nations organizations).</p>
<p>While technically the job is supposed to be for one
person, it is too big for one volunteer (note: some
attorneys will be paid by their clients and law firms
to participate fully in this new group and there is a
reason for that). ALAC plans to appoint a primary
person and a backup person if the primary person
cannot attend a meeting or discussion. Since I will
be on book tour with my new book about the ENIAC
Programmers, <b><i>Proving Ground, </i></b>I think
it would be good idea for us to have a similar
arrangement. We don't want to miss a single Closed
Generic meeting! <br>
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<p>Best and tx,</p>
<p>Kathy<br>
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<div>I am still waiting on guidance from Bruna but I
just wanted to bring to your attention this
statement in the meantime " <span lang="EN-US"><i><b>This
group would ideally have a <span
style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">first informal
meeting during ICANN 75</span>, so we
would appreciate if you would let us know
the name of your representative ideally <span
style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span
style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">by September
19<sup>th</sup></span></span></b></i>.</span>"
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<div>It means we have only 2 weeks to name a
representative for this. I don't think it'll be a
problem since Kathy Kleinman had indicated
interest already and was granted funding to KL
based on that interest but I thought I'd flag the
urgency to the whole committee.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Dear
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hope
this email finds you all well. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">As
you know, following an invitation from
the Board, the GNSO and the GAC will
enter into a dialogue to “formulate a
workable framework to identify and
handle closed generic applications for
the immediate next round of new
gTLDs”, and in this dialogue we will
be joined by ALAC. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Council
leadership would like to invite each
Stakeholder Group to select a
representative for this dialogue. This
group is would ideally have a first
informal meeting during ICANN 75, so
we would appreciate if you would let
us know the name of your
representative ideally by September 19<sup>th</sup>.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The
attached document provides the
guidance for this appointment. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I
would finally like to draw your
attention to the spirit of involvement
in this effort:</span><span
lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li style="margin-left:0cm"> <span
lang="EN-US">the framework
discussion will focus on options
other than the two endpoint
positions (i.e. no closed generics
at all; closed generics without
restrictions) as per the Board’s
Proposed Parameters for Dialogue</span></li>
<li style="margin-left:0cm"> <span
lang="EN-US">the participants will
"contribute as independent
individuals, bringing their
individual experiences and
expertise, and not serve as
representatives of their respective
community organization(s). The
participants must commit to focusing
on successfully developing a
framework for closed generics, even
if the end product is inconsistent
with the goals or priorities of the
participant or the participant's
SO/AC/SG/C.” (Council small team
report)</span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Looking
forward to hearing from you, and
wishing you all safe travels to KL.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best
regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Philippe</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Board/GNSO
correspondence:</span></p>
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<li><a
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rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
lang="EN-US">6 Mar 2022 Letter
from Maarten Botterman to Manal
Ismail and Philippe Fouquart</span></a><span
lang="EN-US"> – including the
framing paper</span></li>
<li><a
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/fouquart-to-botterman-27apr22-en.pdf"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
lang="EN-US">27 April 2022 Letter
from Philippe Fouquart to Maarten
Botterman</span></a><span
lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li><a
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-fouquart-19may22-en.pdf"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
lang="EN-US">19 May 2022 Letter
from Maarten Botterman to Philippe
Fouquart</span></a><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></li>
<li><a
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/fouquart-to-botterman-ismail-29jun22-en.pdf"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
lang="EN-US">29 Jun 2022 Letter
from Philippe Fouquart to Maarten
Botterman and Manal Ismail</span></a><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></li>
<li><a
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/botterman-to-fouquart-ismail-25jul22-en.pdf"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
lang="EN-US">25 Jul 2022 Letter
from Maarten Botterman to Philippe
Fouquart and Manal Ismail</span></a><span
lang="EN-US"> </span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Council
small team report: <a
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href="https://www.humboldt-foundation.de/"
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von Humboldt Foundation</a></span></p>
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Researcher (Gastwissenschaftlerin) | <a
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Direitos na Rede</a> <br>
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Caucus </a><br>
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