[NCSG-PC] New meeting request: NCSG/CPH Engagement on DNS Abuse

Wed Jun 30 00:14:05 EEST 2021

Thanks Bruna.

I think we should meet them sometime. However, it seems this meeting being
organised now will be a one-way update from them to us and we might not
have the input they seek in the meeting since the actions we promised to do
before we meet again, being (1) mapping other positions and working
definitions of DNS abuse across the ICANN community; (2) start drafting a
position paper: NCSGs DNS abuse working definition, concerns and process,
have not been actioned yet. So we'll be going to the meeting, not having
progressed from the place we were at the previous meeting. It doesn't sound
like a very productive use of our limited time, especially if folks are
required to wake up in the middle of the night.

I suggest we make some progress on our side before we meet them again. To
do this, I suggest we appoint a chair to the NCSG DNS Abuse Task-Force, so
that we have someone responsible in driving progress on the two tasks
above. If we are lucky,  we might be able to have a position in a month and
then meet with CPH.

Let me know what you think.

Cheers,
Tomslin
@LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 00:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:

> Heya,
>
> Hope everyone is well! Keith and the CPH sent me an email a while ago
> inquiring about a second meeting about DNS abuse. We still have four
> available dates from the initially suggested ones: 6 July, 13 July, 20 July
> or 27 July and the meeting would be scheduled at 1500 UTC.
>
> I am writing, therefore, to know from you whether we would be interested
> in going back to our interactions with their DNS abuse group. Can you
> please reply to this email by Thursday, cob ?
>
> ps. RrSG also issued a white paper about DNS abuse and registrant
> protections that I'm adding to this email just so you can take a look.
>
> best,
> Bruna
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Drazek, Keith <kdrazek at verisign.com>
> Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 12:46 PM
> Subject: RE: NCSG/CPH Engagement on DNS Abuse
> To: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
> Cc: Brian F. Cimbolic (BCimbolic at pir.org) <BCimbolic at pir.org>, Jim Galvin
> (jgalvin at afilias.info) <jgalvin at afilias.info>, lseufer at namespace.com <
> lseufer at namespace.com>, rlevy at tucows.com <rlevy at tucows.com>,
> secretariat at rysg.info <secretariat at rysg.info>,
> secretariat at icannregistrars.org <secretariat at icannregistrars.org>
>
>
> Hi Bruna,
>
>
>
> I hope you’re doing well as we approach ICANN 71!
>
>
>
> I'm checking in with you to schedule our follow-up joint CPH/NCSG
> conversation on DNS Abuse. The CPH is looking to schedule these sessions on
> Tuesdays at 1500 UTC, during our regularly-scheduled joint CPH DNS Abuse
> meeting time slot, ideally starting in late June.
>
>
>
> I've tentatively penciled NCSG in for Tuesday, July 27 but we can adjust
> as needed...just let me know.
>
>
>
> Here are the possible dates over the next six weeks, at 1500 UTC. If none
> of these dates/times work, let me know and we can try to find an alternate
> slot.
>
>
>
> 22 June
>
> 29 June
>
> 6 July
>
> 13 July
>
> 20 July
>
> 27 July
>
>
>
> Thanks and we look forward to our continued dialogue!
>
>
>
> Best,
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Drazek, Keith
> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2021 11:44 AM
> *To:* bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
> *Cc:* Brian F. Cimbolic <BCimbolic at pir.org>; Jim Galvin <
> jgalvin at afilias.info>; Graeme Bunton <gbunton at tucows.com>
> *Subject:* Engagement on DNS Abuse
>
>
>
> Hello Bruna,
>
>
>
> I hope you’re doing well and staying healthy and safe. I am reaching out
> to you on behalf of the Contracted Party House DNS Abuse Working Group as
> we look ahead to ICANN 70 and the rest of 2021.
>
>
>
> The Contracted Party House (CPH) DNS Abuse Group is conducting outreach to
> our friends in other SO/AC/SG/Cs regarding DNS Abuse. As previously noted
> by the CPH, DNS Abuse
> <https://rrsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/CPH-Definition-of-DNS-Abuse.pdf>
> comprises five categories: phishing, pharming, malware, botnets, and spam
> when it acts as a delivery mechanism for one of the other forms of DNS
> Abuse.
>
>
>
> We want to open a more direct dialogue to understand pain points, hear
> suggestions and identify common ground where we can work together to
> mitigate DNS Abuse.  Is there a subset of the NCSG focusing on DNS Abuse
> questions that would be able to join the CPH DNS Abuse group on a call to
> discuss this topic? We want to encourage frank and productive discussions
> on the topic that lead to really informing our dialogues and actions.
>
>
>
> As a starting point, we propose the following questions to guide our
> discussion.  Are there any questions NCSG would like discuss?:
>
>
>
> What information do you use and how do you use it to assess DNS Abuse
> levels?
>
>
>
> What are the NCSG’s pain points regarding DNS Abuse?
>
>
>
> Are you seeing practices from registrars or registries you find helpful?
>
>
>
> Please let us know if a subgroup of the NCSG would be willing to join us.
> Our group meets regularly on Tuesdays at 1500 UTC.  If so, please propose a
> Tuesday when you are available.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> Keith Drazek
>
> Vice President, Public Policy & Government Relations
>
> Verisign, Inc.
>
> +1-571-377-9182
>
> Kdrazek at verisign.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
> Advocacy Coordinator | Data Privacy Brazil Research
> <https://www.dataprivacybr.org/en/>
>
> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
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> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>
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