<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks Bruna.</div><div><br></div><div>I think we should meet them sometime. However, it seems this meeting being organised now will be a one-way update from them to us and we might not have the input they seek in the meeting since the actions we promised to do before we meet again, being (1) mapping other positions and working definitions of <span class="gmail-il">DNS</span> <span class="gmail-il">abuse</span> across the ICANN community; (2) start drafting a position paper: NCSGs <span class="gmail-il">DNS</span> <span class="gmail-il">abuse</span> working definition, concerns and process, have not been actioned yet. So we'll be going to the meeting, not having progressed from the place we were at the previous meeting. It doesn't sound like a very productive use of our limited time, especially if folks are required to wake up in the middle of the night.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I suggest we make some progress on our side before we meet them again. To do this, I suggest we appoint a chair to the NCSG DNS Abuse Task-Force, so that we have someone responsible in driving progress on the two tasks above. If we are lucky, we might be able to have a position in a month and then meet with CPH.<br>
</div><div><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Let me know what you think.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,<br></div>Tomslin<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px">@LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/" target="_blank">https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/</a><br></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 at 00:38, Bruna Martins dos Santos <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Heya, <div><br></div><div>Hope everyone is well! Keith and the CPH sent me an email a while ago inquiring about a second meeting about DNS abuse. We still have four available dates from the initially suggested ones: 6 July, 13 July, 20 July or 27 July and the meeting would be scheduled at 1500 UTC. </div><div><br></div><div>I am writing, therefore, to know from you whether we would be interested in going back to our interactions with their DNS abuse group. Can you please reply to this email by Thursday, cob ? </div><div><br></div><div>ps. RrSG also issued a white paper about DNS abuse and registrant protections that I'm adding to this email just so you can take a look. <br><br>best, </div><div>Bruna </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">Drazek, Keith</strong> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">kdrazek@verisign.com</a>></span><br>Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 12:46 PM<br>Subject: RE: NCSG/CPH Engagement on DNS Abuse<br>To: <a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: Brian F. Cimbolic (<a href="mailto:BCimbolic@pir.org" target="_blank">BCimbolic@pir.org</a>) <<a href="mailto:BCimbolic@pir.org" target="_blank">BCimbolic@pir.org</a>>, Jim Galvin (<a href="mailto:jgalvin@afilias.info" target="_blank">jgalvin@afilias.info</a>) <<a href="mailto:jgalvin@afilias.info" target="_blank">jgalvin@afilias.info</a>>, <a href="mailto:lseufer@namespace.com" target="_blank">lseufer@namespace.com</a> <<a href="mailto:lseufer@namespace.com" target="_blank">lseufer@namespace.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:rlevy@tucows.com" target="_blank">rlevy@tucows.com</a> <<a href="mailto:rlevy@tucows.com" target="_blank">rlevy@tucows.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:secretariat@rysg.info" target="_blank">secretariat@rysg.info</a> <<a href="mailto:secretariat@rysg.info" target="_blank">secretariat@rysg.info</a>>, <a href="mailto:secretariat@icannregistrars.org" target="_blank">secretariat@icannregistrars.org</a> <<a href="mailto:secretariat@icannregistrars.org" target="_blank">secretariat@icannregistrars.org</a>><br></div><br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Bruna,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I hope you’re doing well as we approach ICANN 71!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm checking in with you to schedule our follow-up joint CPH/NCSG conversation on DNS Abuse. The CPH is looking to schedule these sessions on Tuesdays at 1500 UTC, during our regularly-scheduled joint CPH DNS Abuse meeting time slot, ideally
starting in late June. <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I've tentatively penciled NCSG in for Tuesday, July 27 but we can adjust as needed...just let me know.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Here are the possible dates over the next six weeks, at 1500 UTC. If none of these dates/times work, let me know and we can try to find an alternate slot.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">22 June<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">29 June<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">6 July<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">13 July<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">20 July <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">27 July<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks and we look forward to our continued dialogue!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<br>
Keith<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Drazek, Keith <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 22, 2021 11:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:bruna.mrtns@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruna.mrtns@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Brian F. Cimbolic <<a href="mailto:BCimbolic@pir.org" target="_blank">BCimbolic@pir.org</a>>; Jim Galvin <<a href="mailto:jgalvin@afilias.info" target="_blank">jgalvin@afilias.info</a>>; Graeme Bunton <<a href="mailto:gbunton@tucows.com" target="_blank">gbunton@tucows.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Engagement on DNS Abuse<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello Bruna,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I hope you’re doing well and staying healthy and safe. I am reaching out to you on behalf of the Contracted Party House DNS Abuse Working Group as we look ahead to ICANN 70 and the rest of 2021.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The Contracted Party House (CPH) DNS Abuse Group is conducting outreach to our friends in other SO/AC/SG/Cs regarding DNS Abuse. As previously noted by the CPH,
<a href="https://rrsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/CPH-Definition-of-DNS-Abuse.pdf" target="_blank">
<span style="color:rgb(17,85,204)">DNS Abuse</span></a> comprises five categories: phishing, pharming, malware, botnets, and spam when it acts as a delivery mechanism for one of the other forms of DNS Abuse.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">We want to open a more direct dialogue to understand pain points, hear suggestions and identify common ground where we can work together to mitigate DNS Abuse. Is there a subset of the NCSG focusing on DNS Abuse questions that would be
able to join the CPH DNS Abuse group on a call to discuss this topic? We want to encourage frank and productive discussions on the topic that lead to really informing our dialogues and actions.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As a starting point, we propose the following questions to guide our discussion. Are there any questions NCSG would like discuss?:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">What information do you use and how do you use it to assess DNS Abuse levels?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">What are the NCSG’s pain points regarding DNS Abuse?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">Are you seeing practices from registrars or registries you find helpful?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please let us know if a subgroup of the NCSG would be willing to join us. Our group meets regularly on Tuesdays at 1500 UTC. If so, please propose a Tuesday when you are available.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Keith <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt">Keith Drazek<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt">+1-571-377-9182<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt"><a href="mailto:Kdrazek@verisign.com" target="_blank">Kdrazek@verisign.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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