[NCSG-PC] New meeting request: NCSG/CPH Engagement on DNS Abuse
Bruna Martins dos Santos
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
Thu Jul 8 21:18:38 EEST 2021
I guess thats something we need to discuss with the volunteers. I was
hoping you could start this discussion on the mailing list as suggested,
Akinremi, but I will now send an initial email and you can take it from
there.
Best,
B
On Tue, Jul 6, 2021 at 3:42 PM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thanks Bruna,
>
> I would be happy to do so. Just let me know the time and date for the
> meeting.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 1:30 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I will ask Brenda to schedule the call, but maybe Akinremi can move this
>> discussion to the list so everyone is aware of the call.
>>
>> Would 10h00 UTC be ok for all ? or 11h00 utc ?
>>
>> Best,
>> b
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 8:51 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I also agree it is a good time to move the conversation to the DNS abuse
>>> list.
>>>
>>> Have we agreed on the day of the call being 27/07? Putting it in the
>>> calendar early would be good, to allow folks to plan their attendance.
>>>
>>> Regarding the agenda, it depends on the priority we are giving to the
>>> response to the RrSG white paper. We can certainly allocate time to discuss
>>> response to the paper then proceed to discuss (1) mapping other positions
>>> and working definitions of DNS abuse across the ICANN community; (2)
>>> NCSGs DNS abuse working definition, concerns and process.
>>>
>>> Tomslin
>>> @Twitter: https://twitter.com/tomsleen
>>> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 02:03, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *Thanks Bruna. See my reply inline below. *
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 4:43 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Heya Akinremi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not understand what this agenda was for. Are you suggesting we
>>>>> host an internal call on this specific issue before the call with the CPH ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Yes. I am suggesting an internal call *
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, I believe the agenda for a first call should be smaller
>>>>> as we still need to discuss the different perspectives of DNS abuse around
>>>>> our community and see whether there would be consensus at NCSG for adopting
>>>>> our own.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Perfect. Please feel free to edit and reshape. The essence is for us
>>>> to discuss different perspectives of DNS abuse around our community and
>>>> others. *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Also, besides that, i would advise against hosting these discussions
>>>>> with the PC only. There are discussions highly relevant to our community
>>>>> and if you may recall, we have assembled a mailing list for discussing DNS
>>>>> abuse a while ago that is open to all membership. My suggestion here would
>>>>> be the following:
>>>>> a. host such discussions on the mailing list created exclusively for
>>>>> DNS Abuse discussions;
>>>>> b. Advertise the call and mailing list on the broader membership list
>>>>> just so everyone is aware of that (and i could do that once we have agreed
>>>>> on a date)
>>>>> c. Reshape the agenda just so we can have a NCSG oriented discussion
>>>>> on DNS abuse and debate the adoption of our own concept.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you say ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Very well in agreement with you Bruna. *
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> best,
>>>>> B
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:08 AM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for your contributions so far on the DNS abuse. Since we
>>>>>> have agreed to move the conversations forward, I would like to propose a
>>>>>> call to share thoughts on the good and bad of registrant DNS abuse
>>>>>> mechanisms and what could possibly be our positions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The draft agenda put into consideration the comments on the group.
>>>>>> Since the white paper is not time sensitive, I would suggest the 27th of
>>>>>> July for the meeting as to enable us to align on the DNS Abuse issues.
>>>>>> Please see the link to the agenda and let me know what you think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Link:
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L6tqd1FWRO8tScYAeFeF7qePo4Tvm_eZFAzrO81Yvec/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While going through the CPH DNS definition abuse, I noticed that
>>>>>> malware and Phishing are the critical elements. Without malware, botnet,
>>>>>> pharming will not be empowered. And the gateway to tricking registrants to
>>>>>> installing malicious code is majorly through spaming. Here is my question
>>>>>> to what is CPH contributing to reducing registrants receiving unwanted
>>>>>> messages and patches rather than the mechanism which is a very good move.
>>>>>> ..Just thinking...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:38 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>>>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Heya,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hope everyone is well! Keith and the CPH sent me an email a while
>>>>>>> ago inquiring about a second meeting about DNS abuse. We still have four
>>>>>>> available dates from the initially suggested ones: 6 July, 13 July, 20 July
>>>>>>> or 27 July and the meeting would be scheduled at 1500 UTC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am writing, therefore, to know from you whether we would be
>>>>>>> interested in going back to our interactions with their DNS abuse group.
>>>>>>> Can you please reply to this email by Thursday, cob ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ps. RrSG also issued a white paper about DNS abuse and registrant
>>>>>>> protections that I'm adding to this email just so you can take a look.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>> Bruna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>> From: Drazek, Keith <kdrazek at verisign.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 12:46 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: RE: NCSG/CPH Engagement on DNS Abuse
>>>>>>> To: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Brian F. Cimbolic (BCimbolic at pir.org) <BCimbolic at pir.org>, Jim
>>>>>>> Galvin (jgalvin at afilias.info) <jgalvin at afilias.info>,
>>>>>>> lseufer at namespace.com <lseufer at namespace.com>, rlevy at tucows.com <
>>>>>>> rlevy at tucows.com>, secretariat at rysg.info <secretariat at rysg.info>,
>>>>>>> secretariat at icannregistrars.org <secretariat at icannregistrars.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Bruna,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope you’re doing well as we approach ICANN 71!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm checking in with you to schedule our follow-up joint CPH/NCSG
>>>>>>> conversation on DNS Abuse. The CPH is looking to schedule these sessions on
>>>>>>> Tuesdays at 1500 UTC, during our regularly-scheduled joint CPH DNS Abuse
>>>>>>> meeting time slot, ideally starting in late June.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've tentatively penciled NCSG in for Tuesday, July 27 but we can
>>>>>>> adjust as needed...just let me know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here are the possible dates over the next six weeks, at 1500 UTC. If
>>>>>>> none of these dates/times work, let me know and we can try to find an
>>>>>>> alternate slot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 22 June
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 29 June
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 6 July
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 13 July
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 20 July
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 27 July
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks and we look forward to our continued dialogue!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Drazek, Keith
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2021 11:44 AM
>>>>>>> *To:* bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>>>>>> *Cc:* Brian F. Cimbolic <BCimbolic at pir.org>; Jim Galvin <
>>>>>>> jgalvin at afilias.info>; Graeme Bunton <gbunton at tucows.com>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Engagement on DNS Abuse
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Bruna,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope you’re doing well and staying healthy and safe. I am reaching
>>>>>>> out to you on behalf of the Contracted Party House DNS Abuse Working Group
>>>>>>> as we look ahead to ICANN 70 and the rest of 2021.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Contracted Party House (CPH) DNS Abuse Group is conducting
>>>>>>> outreach to our friends in other SO/AC/SG/Cs regarding DNS Abuse. As
>>>>>>> previously noted by the CPH, DNS Abuse
>>>>>>> <https://rrsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/CPH-Definition-of-DNS-Abuse.pdf>
>>>>>>> comprises five categories: phishing, pharming, malware, botnets, and spam
>>>>>>> when it acts as a delivery mechanism for one of the other forms of DNS
>>>>>>> Abuse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We want to open a more direct dialogue to understand pain points,
>>>>>>> hear suggestions and identify common ground where we can work together to
>>>>>>> mitigate DNS Abuse. Is there a subset of the NCSG focusing on DNS Abuse
>>>>>>> questions that would be able to join the CPH DNS Abuse group on a call to
>>>>>>> discuss this topic? We want to encourage frank and productive discussions
>>>>>>> on the topic that lead to really informing our dialogues and actions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a starting point, we propose the following questions to guide our
>>>>>>> discussion. Are there any questions NCSG would like discuss?:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What information do you use and how do you use it to assess DNS
>>>>>>> Abuse levels?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What are the NCSG’s pain points regarding DNS Abuse?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you seeing practices from registrars or registries you find
>>>>>>> helpful?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let us know if a subgroup of the NCSG would be willing to
>>>>>>> join us. Our group meets regularly on Tuesdays at 1500 UTC. If so, please
>>>>>>> propose a Tuesday when you are available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keith Drazek
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vice President, Public Policy & Government Relations
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Verisign, Inc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1-571-377-9182
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kdrazek at verisign.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Advocacy Coordinator | Data Privacy Brazil Research
>>>>>>> <https://www.dataprivacybr.org/en/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>>>>>>> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>>>>>>> bruna.martinsantos
>>>>>>> bruna at dataprivacybr.org and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Taiwo Peter Akinremi*
>>>>>> ------ ------ ------- ------ ------ ------- ------ ------ ------- ------
>>>>>> ------ ------- ------ ------ ------
>>>>>> IT Manager/Advisory
>>>>>> *Phone*; +2348187476292, +2347063830177 *Skype*: akinremi.taiwo
>>>>>> *Email:* info at compsoftnet.com.ng *Website:* www.compsoftnet.com.ng
>>>>>> ___________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>>>
>>>>> Advocacy Coordinator | Data Privacy Brazil Research
>>>>> <https://www.dataprivacybr.org/en/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>>>>> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>>>>> bruna.martinsantos
>>>>> bruna at dataprivacybr.org and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> *Taiwo Peter Akinremi*
>>>> ------ ------ ------- ------ ------ ------- ------ ------ ------- ------
>>>> ------ ------- ------ ------ ------
>>>> IT Manager/Advisory
>>>> *Phone*; +2348187476292, +2347063830177 *Skype*: akinremi.taiwo
>>>> *Email:* info at compsoftnet.com.ng *Website:* www.compsoftnet.com.ng
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>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>
>> Advocacy Coordinator | Data Privacy Brazil Research
>> <https://www.dataprivacybr.org/en/>
>>
>> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>
>> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>> bruna.martinsantos
>> bruna at dataprivacybr.org and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>
>
>
> --
> Best regards
>
> *Taiwo Peter Akinremi*
> ------ ------ ------- ------ ------ ------- ------ ------ ------- ------
> ------ ------- ------ ------
> *Certified Salesforce Administrator | Data Protection Specialist | IT
> Auditor *
> *Phone*; +2348117714345, +2347063830177 *Skype*: akinremi.taiwo
> *Email:* compsoftnet at gmail.com, peterexecute at gmail.com
> ___________________________________________
>
--
*Bruna Martins dos Santos *
Advocacy Coordinator | Data Privacy Brazil Research
<https://www.dataprivacybr.org/en/>
Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
<https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus <https://igcaucus.org/>
Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
bruna.martinsantos
bruna at dataprivacybr.org and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
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