[NCSG-PC] New meeting request: NCSG/CPH Engagement on DNS Abuse

Akinremi Peter Taiwo compsoftnet at gmail.com
Tue Jul 6 21:42:33 EEST 2021


Thanks Bruna,

I would be happy to do so. Just let me know the  time and date for the
meeting.

Regards



On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 1:30 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:

> I will ask Brenda to schedule the call, but maybe Akinremi can move this
> discussion to the list so everyone is aware of the call.
>
> Would 10h00 UTC be ok for all ? or 11h00 utc ?
>
> Best,
> b
>
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 8:51 AM Tomslin Samme-Nlar <mesumbeslin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I also agree it is a good time to move the conversation to the DNS abuse
>> list.
>>
>> Have we agreed on the day of the call being 27/07? Putting it in the
>> calendar early would be good, to allow folks to plan their attendance.
>>
>> Regarding the agenda, it depends on the priority we are giving to the
>> response to the RrSG white paper. We can certainly allocate time to discuss
>> response to the paper then proceed to discuss (1) mapping other positions
>> and working definitions of DNS abuse across the ICANN community; (2)
>> NCSGs DNS abuse working definition, concerns and process.
>>
>> Tomslin
>> @Twitter: https://twitter.com/tomsleen
>> @LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomslin/
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 at 02:03, Akinremi Peter Taiwo <compsoftnet at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> *Thanks Bruna. See my reply inline below. *
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 4:43 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Heya Akinremi,
>>>>
>>>> I did not understand what this agenda was for. Are you suggesting we
>>>> host an internal call on this specific issue before the call with the CPH ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> *Yes. I am suggesting an internal call  *
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In any case, I believe the agenda for a first call should be smaller as
>>>> we still need to discuss the different perspectives of DNS abuse around our
>>>> community and see whether there would be consensus at NCSG for adopting our
>>>> own.
>>>>
>>>> *Perfect.  Please feel free to edit and reshape. The essence is for us
>>> to discuss different perspectives of DNS abuse around our community and
>>> others. *
>>>
>>>
>>>> Also, besides that, i would advise against hosting these discussions
>>>> with the PC only. There are discussions highly relevant to our community
>>>> and if you may recall, we have assembled a mailing list for discussing DNS
>>>> abuse a while ago that is open to all membership. My suggestion here would
>>>> be the following:
>>>> a.  host such discussions on the mailing list created exclusively for
>>>> DNS Abuse discussions;
>>>> b. Advertise the call and mailing list on the broader membership list
>>>> just so everyone is aware of that (and i could do that once we have agreed
>>>> on a date)
>>>> c. Reshape the agenda just so we can have a NCSG oriented discussion on
>>>> DNS abuse and debate the adoption of our own concept.
>>>>
>>>> What do you say ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> *Very well in agreement with you Bruna. *
>>>
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 10:08 AM Akinremi Peter Taiwo <
>>>> compsoftnet at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your contributions so far on the DNS abuse. Since we
>>>>> have agreed to move the conversations forward, I would like to propose a
>>>>> call to share thoughts on the good and bad of registrant DNS abuse
>>>>> mechanisms and what could possibly be our positions.
>>>>>
>>>>>  The draft agenda put into consideration the comments on the group.
>>>>> Since the white paper is not time sensitive, I would suggest the 27th of
>>>>> July for the meeting as to enable us to align on the DNS Abuse issues.
>>>>> Please see the link to the agenda and let me know what you think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Link:
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L6tqd1FWRO8tScYAeFeF7qePo4Tvm_eZFAzrO81Yvec/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> While going through the CPH DNS definition abuse, I noticed that
>>>>> malware and Phishing are the critical elements. Without malware, botnet,
>>>>> pharming will not be empowered. And the gateway to tricking registrants to
>>>>> installing malicious code is majorly through spaming. Here is my question
>>>>> to what is CPH contributing to reducing registrants receiving unwanted
>>>>> messages and patches rather than the mechanism which is a very good move.
>>>>>  ..Just thinking...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:38 PM Bruna Martins dos Santos <
>>>>> bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Heya,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope everyone is well! Keith and the CPH sent me an email a while ago
>>>>>> inquiring about a second meeting about DNS abuse. We still have four
>>>>>> available dates from the initially suggested ones: 6 July, 13 July, 20 July
>>>>>> or 27 July and the meeting would be scheduled at 1500 UTC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am writing, therefore, to know from you whether we would be
>>>>>> interested in going back to our interactions with their DNS abuse group.
>>>>>> Can you please reply to this email by Thursday, cob ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ps. RrSG also issued a white paper about DNS abuse and registrant
>>>>>> protections that I'm adding to this email just so you can take a look.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>> Bruna
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>> From: Drazek, Keith <kdrazek at verisign.com>
>>>>>> Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 12:46 PM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: NCSG/CPH Engagement on DNS Abuse
>>>>>> To: bruna.mrtns at gmail.com <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Cc: Brian F. Cimbolic (BCimbolic at pir.org) <BCimbolic at pir.org>, Jim
>>>>>> Galvin (jgalvin at afilias.info) <jgalvin at afilias.info>,
>>>>>> lseufer at namespace.com <lseufer at namespace.com>, rlevy at tucows.com <
>>>>>> rlevy at tucows.com>, secretariat at rysg.info <secretariat at rysg.info>,
>>>>>> secretariat at icannregistrars.org <secretariat at icannregistrars.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Bruna,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope you’re doing well as we approach ICANN 71!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm checking in with you to schedule our follow-up joint CPH/NCSG
>>>>>> conversation on DNS Abuse. The CPH is looking to schedule these sessions on
>>>>>> Tuesdays at 1500 UTC, during our regularly-scheduled joint CPH DNS Abuse
>>>>>> meeting time slot, ideally starting in late June.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've tentatively penciled NCSG in for Tuesday, July 27 but we can
>>>>>> adjust as needed...just let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are the possible dates over the next six weeks, at 1500 UTC. If
>>>>>> none of these dates/times work, let me know and we can try to find an
>>>>>> alternate slot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 22 June
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 29 June
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6 July
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 13 July
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 20 July
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 27 July
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks and we look forward to our continued dialogue!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Drazek, Keith
>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2021 11:44 AM
>>>>>> *To:* bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>>>>> *Cc:* Brian F. Cimbolic <BCimbolic at pir.org>; Jim Galvin <
>>>>>> jgalvin at afilias.info>; Graeme Bunton <gbunton at tucows.com>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Engagement on DNS Abuse
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Bruna,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope you’re doing well and staying healthy and safe. I am reaching
>>>>>> out to you on behalf of the Contracted Party House DNS Abuse Working Group
>>>>>> as we look ahead to ICANN 70 and the rest of 2021.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Contracted Party House (CPH) DNS Abuse Group is conducting
>>>>>> outreach to our friends in other SO/AC/SG/Cs regarding DNS Abuse. As
>>>>>> previously noted by the CPH, DNS Abuse
>>>>>> <https://rrsg.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/CPH-Definition-of-DNS-Abuse.pdf>
>>>>>> comprises five categories: phishing, pharming, malware, botnets, and spam
>>>>>> when it acts as a delivery mechanism for one of the other forms of DNS
>>>>>> Abuse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We want to open a more direct dialogue to understand pain points,
>>>>>> hear suggestions and identify common ground where we can work together to
>>>>>> mitigate DNS Abuse.  Is there a subset of the NCSG focusing on DNS Abuse
>>>>>> questions that would be able to join the CPH DNS Abuse group on a call to
>>>>>> discuss this topic? We want to encourage frank and productive discussions
>>>>>> on the topic that lead to really informing our dialogues and actions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a starting point, we propose the following questions to guide our
>>>>>> discussion.  Are there any questions NCSG would like discuss?:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What information do you use and how do you use it to assess DNS Abuse
>>>>>> levels?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are the NCSG’s pain points regarding DNS Abuse?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you seeing practices from registrars or registries you find
>>>>>> helpful?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let us know if a subgroup of the NCSG would be willing to join
>>>>>> us.  Our group meets regularly on Tuesdays at 1500 UTC.  If so, please
>>>>>> propose a Tuesday when you are available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keith Drazek
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vice President, Public Policy & Government Relations
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Verisign, Inc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1-571-377-9182
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kdrazek at verisign.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Advocacy Coordinator | Data Privacy Brazil Research
>>>>>> <https://www.dataprivacybr.org/en/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>>>>>> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>>>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>>>>>> bruna.martinsantos
>>>>>> bruna at dataprivacybr.org and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>
>>>>> *Taiwo Peter Akinremi*
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>>>>> ------ -------  ------ ------ ------
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>>>>> *Email:* info at compsoftnet.com.ng *Website:* www.compsoftnet.com.ng
>>>>> ___________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>>>>
>>>> Advocacy Coordinator | Data Privacy Brazil Research
>>>> <https://www.dataprivacybr.org/en/>
>>>>
>>>> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
>>>> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
>>>> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>>>>
>>>> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
>>>> bruna.martinsantos
>>>> bruna at dataprivacybr.org and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards
>>>
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>>
>
> --
>
> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
>
> Advocacy Coordinator | Data Privacy Brazil Research
> <https://www.dataprivacybr.org/en/>
>
> Member | Coalizão Direitos na Rede <https://direitosnarede.org.br/>
> Chair | Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group at ICANN
> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/stakeholders-constituencies/ncsg>
> Co-Coordinator | Internet Governance Caucus  <https://igcaucus.org/>
>
> Twitter: @boomartins <https://twitter.com/boomartins> // Skype:
> bruna.martinsantos
> bruna at dataprivacybr.org and bruna.mrtns at gmail.com
>


-- 
Best regards

*Taiwo Peter Akinremi*
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