[NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP

Tue Jun 25 20:00:38 EEST 2019

Hi Elsa,

as it is about chartering, I think you can ask for input and guidance when
needed since you would have more specifics. For now, we only have vague
ideas what it will be pushed (like those listed in the notes) such as about
the limited representation etc. To respond to them, we need to think how to
mitigate the risks and bring our own participants there.

Best,

Rafik

Le mar. 25 juin 2019 à 17:52, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> a écrit :

> Id be happy to work in the rechartering process. However, I’d like to work
> based on a united NCSG voice on this matter. I’d highly support a
> collaboration meeting to get to the ends of this subject on which I could
> base my work in the drafting team.
>
> E.
> —
>
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 11:10 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> thanks Arsene for the notes. I think the points are similar of what
>> raised before in GNSO Council meetings and also the same suggestions about
>> moving forward.
>> I think the only effective way is to participate at the drafting team
>> work and having volunteering there to influence the outcomes. we know what
>> other groups are pushing as position and possible change in charter of RPM
>> (it is beyond rec #5 but likely rechartering the whole RPM too). it is not
>> matter of statement or whatever. need volunteers in the small team working
>> on charter and scoping.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> Le mar. 25 juin 2019 à 16:00, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi Arsene,
>>>
>>> We’ve been reactive most times. Proactivity could help in a way.
>>>
>>> My two cents.
>>>
>>> E.
>>> —
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:48 AM Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Elsa, i think for now, let’s follow the conversation closely and use
>>>> every opportunity to not miss any of these conversations.
>>>>
>>>> As Rafik said yesterday, there is nothing we can do for now. But with
>>>> this new agreement, let’s make sure we are part of the drafting team that
>>>> will be tasked to scope this new WG and get our members ready to be
>>>> represented there
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On 25 Jun 2019, at 15:01, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This GAC situation has been very frustrating and I’ve been extremely
>>>> vocal already about it in several of our meetings. Can we make a decision
>>>> about our stance on this ASAP? What do we think is best for this WG? Maybe
>>>> we should consult with our members too about the situation?
>>>>
>>>> I know we’ve talked about it on several of our policy calls, and we’ve
>>>> already discussed this several times, but we haven’t made a decision on a
>>>> pathway forward. Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Elsa
>>>> —
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:48 AM Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sure this will not be new for Council members but here is what
>>>>> was pushed by the Council and was able to get from this small meeting:
>>>>>
>>>>> -       Recommendations 1-4 are in Board hands and no one knows what
>>>>> will be
>>>>> the outcome or their decision: it is either rejection (sent back to
>>>>> Council) or adoption and then it becomes a consensus policy. We should
>>>>> not focus on this now.
>>>>>
>>>>> -       GAC seems to not be happy with what has been done so far (Rec
>>>>> #1 to
>>>>> #4) and I think they would give everything they can to have a say on
>>>>> these or even see the Board bring them back to Council for discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> -       Agreed on chartering a new group to work on Rec #5, under the
>>>>> umbrella of RPMs WG, but with its full autonomy.
>>>>>
>>>>> -       With the experience of the EPDP in terms of WG composition,
>>>>> timeline
>>>>> as well as the flexibility and liability that comes with the PDP 3.0,
>>>>> GNSO Council should be able to lead this work.
>>>>>
>>>>> -       This new group should be formed of people with the right
>>>>> expertise
>>>>> and interest in the topic. Should be limited in number and be
>>>>> time-bound to deliver in a timely fashion. NCSG should start thinking
>>>>> about who we will send there.
>>>>>
>>>>> -       Start a small group to keep on discussing: formed with GAC
>>>>> members,
>>>>> interested IGOs and Council members, including Paul who is Council
>>>>> liaison to RPMs WG. When this is formed, NCSG needs to be there as
>>>>> well.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is purely procedural, I cannot report on the substance of the
>>>>> work done and what needs to be done since I am not following this WG
>>>>> closely.
>>>>>
>>>>> @Avri was in the room (from the Board side), maybe you can say
>>>>> something?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Arsene
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2019-06-24 12:19 UTC+02:00, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>:
>>>>> > Hi Rafik,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I hate that I did not follow closely this discussion but since we
>>>>> need
>>>>> > someone to be there, I am planning to join and will let you know
>>>>> > anything I get from that informal meeting.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks,
>>>>> > Arsene
>>>>> >
>>>>> > 2019-06-24 10:37 UTC+02:00, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> as I mentioned before I won't be able to attend that session as I
>>>>> will be
>>>>> >> chairing EPDP sessions.
>>>>> >> can someone volunteer who won't be at EPDP or another PDP session to
>>>>> >> attend
>>>>> >> and take notes. while it is about informal discussion, we need to
>>>>> note
>>>>> >> what
>>>>> >> was discussed and suggested there.
>>>>> >> the latest letter from the board is not bad with regard about
>>>>> following
>>>>> >> process by having the public comment for input and not initiating
>>>>> any
>>>>> >> facilitated dialogue yet.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Best,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Rafik
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>> >> De : Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>> >> Date: lun. 24 juin 2019 à 08:50
>>>>> >> Subject: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
>>>>> >> To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>> >> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> This is a quick update on Tuesday’s 13:30 meeting between interested
>>>>> >> members of the GNSO Council and GAC on the IGO CRP topic. Thanks to
>>>>> those
>>>>> >> of you who have volunteered to attend and contribute to this
>>>>> optional
>>>>> >> session.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> As you’ve seen, the ICANN Board sent a letter to both groups
>>>>> indicating
>>>>> >> they will soon be posting Recommendations 1-4 for public comment.
>>>>> In the
>>>>> >> meantime, the Council will continue to explore next steps for
>>>>> >> re-chartering
>>>>> >> the RPM PDP WG to include a dedicated sub-group to consider
>>>>> >> Recommendation
>>>>> >> 5 and the IGO protections issue.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> As part of this effort, as scheduled, we will meet with interested
>>>>> >> parties
>>>>> >> from the GAC on Tuesday. I spoke with Manal yesterday and we agreed
>>>>> that
>>>>> >> the session would be most productive if it was informal and focused
>>>>> on
>>>>> >> how
>>>>> >> best to ensure the dedicated sub-team is scoped appropriately.
>>>>> Anyone is
>>>>> >> welcome to attend and observe this session, but we do not plan to
>>>>> record
>>>>> >> it
>>>>> >> and hope an informal dialogue at this time will help to inform our
>>>>> work.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Please let me know if you have any questions or if you’d like to
>>>>> >> participate as a contributor to the discussion. We will of course
>>>>> report
>>>>> >> out on the conversation.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Keith
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
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>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Elsa Saade
>>>> Consultant
>>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>>
>>>> --
>>> --
>>>
>>> Elsa Saade
>>> Consultant
>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>
>> --
> --
>
> Elsa Saade
> Consultant
> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>
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