[NCSG-PC] Fwd: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP

Tue Jun 25 19:52:34 EEST 2019

Id be happy to work in the rechartering process. However, I’d like to work
based on a united NCSG voice on this matter. I’d highly support a
collaboration meeting to get to the ends of this subject on which I could
base my work in the drafting team.

E.
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On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 11:10 AM Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> thanks Arsene for the notes. I think the points are similar of what raised
> before in GNSO Council meetings and also the same suggestions about moving
> forward.
> I think the only effective way is to participate at the drafting team work
> and having volunteering there to influence the outcomes. we know what other
> groups are pushing as position and possible change in charter of RPM (it is
> beyond rec #5 but likely rechartering the whole RPM too). it is not matter
> of statement or whatever. need volunteers in the small team working on
> charter and scoping.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> Le mar. 25 juin 2019 à 16:00, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>> Hi Arsene,
>>
>> We’ve been reactive most times. Proactivity could help in a way.
>>
>> My two cents.
>>
>> E.
>> —
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:48 AM Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Elsa, i think for now, let’s follow the conversation closely and use
>>> every opportunity to not miss any of these conversations.
>>>
>>> As Rafik said yesterday, there is nothing we can do for now. But with
>>> this new agreement, let’s make sure we are part of the drafting team that
>>> will be tasked to scope this new WG and get our members ready to be
>>> represented there
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 25 Jun 2019, at 15:01, Elsa S <elsa.saade at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This GAC situation has been very frustrating and I’ve been extremely
>>> vocal already about it in several of our meetings. Can we make a decision
>>> about our stance on this ASAP? What do we think is best for this WG? Maybe
>>> we should consult with our members too about the situation?
>>>
>>> I know we’ve talked about it on several of our policy calls, and we’ve
>>> already discussed this several times, but we haven’t made a decision on a
>>> pathway forward. Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Elsa
>>> —
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:48 AM Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I am sure this will not be new for Council members but here is what
>>>> was pushed by the Council and was able to get from this small meeting:
>>>>
>>>> -       Recommendations 1-4 are in Board hands and no one knows what
>>>> will be
>>>> the outcome or their decision: it is either rejection (sent back to
>>>> Council) or adoption and then it becomes a consensus policy. We should
>>>> not focus on this now.
>>>>
>>>> -       GAC seems to not be happy with what has been done so far (Rec
>>>> #1 to
>>>> #4) and I think they would give everything they can to have a say on
>>>> these or even see the Board bring them back to Council for discussion.
>>>>
>>>> -       Agreed on chartering a new group to work on Rec #5, under the
>>>> umbrella of RPMs WG, but with its full autonomy.
>>>>
>>>> -       With the experience of the EPDP in terms of WG composition,
>>>> timeline
>>>> as well as the flexibility and liability that comes with the PDP 3.0,
>>>> GNSO Council should be able to lead this work.
>>>>
>>>> -       This new group should be formed of people with the right
>>>> expertise
>>>> and interest in the topic. Should be limited in number and be
>>>> time-bound to deliver in a timely fashion. NCSG should start thinking
>>>> about who we will send there.
>>>>
>>>> -       Start a small group to keep on discussing: formed with GAC
>>>> members,
>>>> interested IGOs and Council members, including Paul who is Council
>>>> liaison to RPMs WG. When this is formed, NCSG needs to be there as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> This is purely procedural, I cannot report on the substance of the
>>>> work done and what needs to be done since I am not following this WG
>>>> closely.
>>>>
>>>> @Avri was in the room (from the Board side), maybe you can say
>>>> something?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Arsene
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2019-06-24 12:19 UTC+02:00, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>:
>>>> > Hi Rafik,
>>>> >
>>>> > I hate that I did not follow closely this discussion but since we need
>>>> > someone to be there, I am planning to join and will let you know
>>>> > anything I get from that informal meeting.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> > Arsene
>>>> >
>>>> > 2019-06-24 10:37 UTC+02:00, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> as I mentioned before I won't be able to attend that session as I
>>>> will be
>>>> >> chairing EPDP sessions.
>>>> >> can someone volunteer who won't be at EPDP or another PDP session to
>>>> >> attend
>>>> >> and take notes. while it is about informal discussion, we need to
>>>> note
>>>> >> what
>>>> >> was discussed and suggested there.
>>>> >> the latest letter from the board is not bad with regard about
>>>> following
>>>> >> process by having the public comment for input and not initiating any
>>>> >> facilitated dialogue yet.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Best,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Rafik
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> >> De : Drazek, Keith via council <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>> >> Date: lun. 24 juin 2019 à 08:50
>>>> >> Subject: [council] Update: Optional Meeting with GAC on IGO CRP
>>>> >> To: council at gnso.icann.org <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>> >> Cc: gnso-secs at icann.org <gnso-secs at icann.org>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This is a quick update on Tuesday’s 13:30 meeting between interested
>>>> >> members of the GNSO Council and GAC on the IGO CRP topic. Thanks to
>>>> those
>>>> >> of you who have volunteered to attend and contribute to this optional
>>>> >> session.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As you’ve seen, the ICANN Board sent a letter to both groups
>>>> indicating
>>>> >> they will soon be posting Recommendations 1-4 for public comment. In
>>>> the
>>>> >> meantime, the Council will continue to explore next steps for
>>>> >> re-chartering
>>>> >> the RPM PDP WG to include a dedicated sub-group to consider
>>>> >> Recommendation
>>>> >> 5 and the IGO protections issue.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> As part of this effort, as scheduled, we will meet with interested
>>>> >> parties
>>>> >> from the GAC on Tuesday. I spoke with Manal yesterday and we agreed
>>>> that
>>>> >> the session would be most productive if it was informal and focused
>>>> on
>>>> >> how
>>>> >> best to ensure the dedicated sub-team is scoped appropriately.
>>>> Anyone is
>>>> >> welcome to attend and observe this session, but we do not plan to
>>>> record
>>>> >> it
>>>> >> and hope an informal dialogue at this time will help to inform our
>>>> work.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Please let me know if you have any questions or if you’d like to
>>>> >> participate as a contributor to the discussion. We will of course
>>>> report
>>>> >> out on the conversation.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Keith
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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>>>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>>>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <https://www.smart-kitoko.com/>*,
>>>> Tel: +243 993810967 (DRC)
>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>>
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>>>> <
>>>>
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>>>> >
>>>>
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>>>
>>> Elsa Saade
>>> Consultant
>>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>>
>>> --
>> --
>>
>> Elsa Saade
>> Consultant
>> Gulf Centre for Human Rights
>> Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
>>
> --
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Elsa Saade
Consultant
Gulf Centre for Human Rights
Twitter: @Elsa_Saade
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