[NCSG-PC] [new draft] NCSG Budget Comment

Sun Mar 4 14:29:47 EET 2018

I support the submission of this public comment.

Thank you Ayden for drafting it.

Farzaneh

On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 6:35 AM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:

> I no longer know what the status of this comment is, but I'm crossing it
> off my to-do list and will no longer track whether it is submitted or not
> (nor do I care anymore). It's been on our mailing list for some seven weeks
> and I need to focus on prep for the IFF and ICANN61 now.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ayden
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 3 March 2018 3:17 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks very much, Tanya-
>
> Rafik, are we able to submit this comment now?
>
> Best, Ayden
>
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>
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 21:21, Dr. Tatiana Tropina <t.tropina at mpicc.de>
> wrote:
>
> All, am fine with the comment - you have my approval for submission and
> BIG BIG thanks to Ayden for holding the pen and his tireless work on this.
> Thank you so much, Ayden.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tanya
>
> On 01/03/18 06:59, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> reading and comparing the related paragraphs in council and NCSG comments,
> ours seems simpler and the main part is basically about the assessment and
> evaluation of the programs as discussed before. I won't go into semantics
> but I believe we are taking the simple position of evaluation of the
> programs for now before making any decision.
>
> the comment is in good shape too for submission and not critical comments
> pending there. @Ayden can you give another look for clean-up
>
> Asking all PC members to review, help for proof-reading in next day so we
> can submit before the public comment deadline.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
>
> 2018-02-26 19:12 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>
> Thanks Arsene, I think we are expressing the same sentiment albeit
>> diplomatically, however I will allow Rafik as PC Chair to mediate and
>> resolve this one.
>>
>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On 26 February 2018 11:10 AM, Arsène Tungali < arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> May I suggest something like: "We do not support the current suggested
>> harsh cut on these programs but we request an assessment before any such
>> decision can be taken". This is what i would like to see there. I am not
>> that good in English so would suggest a rephrasing so it means this for me.
>> If what is written there is the same as what i am sugesting, then fine with
>> me. The current language on that one sentence is confusing for me.
>> And i will leave this here for you guys to decide as a group.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Arsene
>>
>> ------------------------
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>> 2018-02-26 12:04 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>
>>> I feel like I'm responding to a carbon copy of Martin's comment - so my
>>> answer remains the same! :-) The dictionary definition of 'rightsizing' is
>>> to "convert (something) to an appropriate or optimum size." That's what we
>>> are saying, and I think it is apparent if read in the context of the entire
>>> paragraph and not that one sentence which has been extracted.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ayden
>>>
>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>> On 26 February 2018 10:19 AM, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe this is the section that is problematic in my view and needs
>>> to be rephrased: "*We support the rightsizing of the fellowship and
>>> NextGen programmes*. " It means for me that we support the fact that
>>> those programs are cut the way it is suggested in the budget. I don't think
>>> we have consensus on this and we should not support, as a SG, the way these
>>> programs have been reduced in number (by half or so). I may be wrong though
>>> :)
>>>
>>> I think what we encourage, and what we have agreement on, is the need
>>> for an assessment on the effectiveneess of the program and only after that
>>> assessment, we can agree on the right action to take on it. This can lead
>>> to a cut in number of attendees or anything else but we cannot say that at
>>> this moment, before that professional assessment is done. And I believe
>>> that's what we pushed for at Council level.
>>> Other than that, i fully support the submission of this comment and
>>> would like to thank Ayden and everyone for their participation. After
>>> reading the comment, it captures everything we discussed and captures what
>>> we stand for. As i always say, this is a good informational piece as well
>>> for us.
>>>
>>> ------------------------
>>> * *Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, * Rudi international
>>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org> *,
>>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa
>>> Forum <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
>>> Tel: +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>> *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo*
>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
>>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>>> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
>>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
>>> & Mexico
>>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
>>> - AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/>- Blogger
>>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com>- ICANN's GNSO Council
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm>Member. AFRINIC
>>> Fellow ( Mauritius
>>> <http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>
>>> )* - * IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/>- Internet Governance -
>>> Internet Freedom.
>>>
>>> Check the *2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC* report ( English
>>> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and ( French
>>> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)
>>>
>>> 2018-02-22 6:42 GMT+02:00 Martin Pablo Silva Valent <
>>> mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Is all good for me, except for the same part I opposed at council
>>>> level. I do not support the downsizing of the fellowship and nextgen by a
>>>> blind cut with no metrics and debate to balance it out.
>>>>
>>>> If that is changed slightly like you did for the council to change that
>>>> part, I will fully support.
>>>>
>>>>  Cheers,
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> On 21 Feb 2018 21:22, "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Ayden for the revisions,
>>>>> I want to ask all PC members to review asap the draft for endorsment,
>>>>> the deadline for submission is 2 weeks away and just before PR meeting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> 2018-02-22 9:14 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have revised the proposed NCSG comment on the FY19 budget:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tBia4z5QQFGz9vFUQUkS0lbZ
>>>>>> NqU6C5n4pyUmlH3m8e8/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has not received very many edits or comments just yet. I hope it
>>>>>> is on the right track.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>>
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