[NCSG-PC] [new draft] NCSG Budget Comment
Kathy Kleiman
kathy at kathykleiman.com
Sun Mar 4 15:53:07 EET 2018
+1. Thoughtful, well-written and well-reasoned comment. I think it hits
the nail on the head with this -- /"At the same time, we see no attempts
to address the larger structural issues to do with growing personnel
costs and an extraordinary spend on professional services."
/
Great tx to Ayden for drafting, and all who edited.
Best, Kathy
On 3/4/2018 7:29 AM, farzaneh badii wrote:
> I support the submission of this public comment.
>
> Thank you Ayden for drafting it.
>
> Farzaneh
>
> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 6:35 AM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>
> I no longer know what the status of this comment is, but I'm
> crossing it off my to-do list and will no longer track whether it
> is submitted or not (nor do I care anymore). It's been on our
> mailing list for some seven weeks and I need to focus on prep for
> the IFF and ICANN61 now.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ayden
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 3 March 2018 3:17 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>
>> Thanks very much, Tanya-
>>
>> Rafik, are we able to submit this comment now?
>>
>> Best, Ayden
>>
>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 21:21, Dr. Tatiana Tropina
>> <t.tropina at mpicc.de <mailto:t.tropina at mpicc.de>> wrote:
>>>
>>> All, am fine with the comment - you have my approval for
>>> submission and BIG BIG thanks to Ayden for holding the pen and
>>> his tireless work on this. Thank you so much, Ayden.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Tanya
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/03/18 06:59, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> reading and comparing the related paragraphs in council and
>>>> NCSG comments, ours seems simpler and the main part is
>>>> basically about the assessment and evaluation of the programs
>>>> as discussed before. I won't go into semantics but I believe we
>>>> are taking the simple position of evaluation of the programs
>>>> for now before making any decision.
>>>>
>>>> the comment is in good shape too for submission and not
>>>> critical comments pending there. @Ayden can you give another
>>>> look for clean-up
>>>>
>>>> Asking all PC members to review, help for proof-reading in next
>>>> day so we can submit before the public comment deadline.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2018-02-26 19:12 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Arsene, I think we are expressing the same sentiment
>>>> albeit diplomatically, however I will allow Rafik as PC
>>>> Chair to mediate and resolve this one.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>> On 26 February 2018 11:10 AM, Arsène Tungali <
>>>> arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> May I suggest something like: "We do not support the
>>>>> current suggested harsh cut on these programs but we
>>>>> request an assessment before any such decision can be
>>>>> taken". This is what i would like to see there. I am not
>>>>> that good in English so would suggest a rephrasing so it
>>>>> means this for me. If what is written there is the same as
>>>>> what i am sugesting, then fine with me. The current
>>>>> language on that one sentence is confusing for me.
>>>>> And i will leave this here for you guys to decide as a group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Arsene
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, /Rudi international
>>>>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org> /,
>>>>> CEO,/Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>/,
>>>>> /Mabingwa Forum <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>/
>>>>> Tel: +243 993810967 <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967>
>>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>>> _Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo_
>>>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
>>>>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>>>>> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
>>>>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
>>>>> & Mexico
>>>>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
>>>>> - AFRISIG 2016
>>>>> <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
>>>>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com>- ICANN's GNSO Council
>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm>Member.//AFRINIC
>>>>> Fellow //( Mauritius
>>>>> <http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)/-
>>>>> /IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/>- Internet Governance
>>>>> - Internet Freedom. //
>>>>>
>>>>> Check the /2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC/ report
>>>>> (English <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and (French
>>>>> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)
>>>>>
>>>>> 2018-02-26 12:04 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline
>>>>> <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>>>>
>>>>> I feel like I'm responding to a carbon copy of
>>>>> Martin's comment - so my answer remains the same! :-)
>>>>> The dictionary definition of 'rightsizing' is to
>>>>> "convert (something) to an appropriate or optimum
>>>>> size." That's what we are saying, and I think it is
>>>>> apparent if read in the context of the entire
>>>>> paragraph and not that one sentence which has been
>>>>> extracted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>
>>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>> On 26 February 2018 10:19 AM, Arsène Tungali
>>>>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe this is the section that is problematic in
>>>>>> my view and needs to be rephrased: "/We support the
>>>>>> rightsizing of the fellowship and NextGen
>>>>>> programmes/. " It means for me that we support the
>>>>>> fact that those programs are cut the way it is
>>>>>> suggested in the budget. I don't think we have
>>>>>> consensus on this and we should not support, as a SG,
>>>>>> the way these programs have been reduced in number
>>>>>> (by half or so). I may be wrong though :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think what we encourage, and what we have agreement
>>>>>> on, is the need for an assessment on the
>>>>>> effectiveneess of the program and only after that
>>>>>> assessment, we can agree on the right action to take
>>>>>> on it. This can lead to a cut in number of attendees
>>>>>> or anything else but we cannot say that at this
>>>>>> moment, before that professional assessment is done.
>>>>>> And I believe that's what we pushed for at Council
>>>>>> level.
>>>>>> Other than that, i fully support the submission of
>>>>>> this comment and would like to thank Ayden and
>>>>>> everyone for their participation. After reading the
>>>>>> comment, it captures everything we discussed and
>>>>>> captures what we stand for. As i always say, this is
>>>>>> a good informational piece as well for us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> * *Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>>>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, /Rudi international
>>>>>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org> /,
>>>>>> CEO,/Smart Services Sarl
>>>>>> <http://www.smart-serv.info>/, /Mabingwa Forum
>>>>>> <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>/
>>>>>> Tel: +243 993810967 <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967>
>>>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>>>> _Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo_
>>>>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
>>>>>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>>>>>> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
>>>>>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
>>>>>> & Mexico
>>>>>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
>>>>>> - AFRISIG 2016
>>>>>> <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/>-
>>>>>> Blogger <http://tungali.blogspot.com>- ICANN's GNSO
>>>>>> Council
>>>>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm>Member.//AFRINIC
>>>>>> Fellow //( Mauritius
>>>>>> <http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)/-
>>>>>> /IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/>- Internet
>>>>>> Governance - Internet Freedom. //
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check the /2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC/
>>>>>> report ( English <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>)
>>>>>> and ( French <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2018-02-22 6:42 GMT+02:00 Martin Pablo Silva Valent
>>>>>> <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is all good for me, except for the same part I
>>>>>> opposed at council level. I do not support the
>>>>>> downsizing of the fellowship and nextgen by a
>>>>>> blind cut with no metrics and debate to balance
>>>>>> it out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If that is changed slightly like you did for the
>>>>>> council to change that part, I will fully support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21 Feb 2018 21:22, "Rafik Dammak"
>>>>>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Ayden for the revisions,
>>>>>> I want to ask all PC members to review asap
>>>>>> the draft for endorsment, the deadline for
>>>>>> submission is 2 weeks away and just before PR
>>>>>> meeting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2018-02-22 9:14 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>> <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have revised the proposed NCSG comment
>>>>>> on the FY19 budget:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tBia4z5QQFGz9vFUQUkS0lbZNqU6C5n4pyUmlH3m8e8/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tBia4z5QQFGz9vFUQUkS0lbZNqU6C5n4pyUmlH3m8e8/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has not received very many edits or
>>>>>> comments just yet. I hope it is on the
>>>>>> right track.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>>
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