[NCSG-PC] [new draft] NCSG Budget Comment

Thu Mar 1 09:40:06 EET 2018

Thanks, Rafik-

I agree that our (NCSG) comment has a clearer ASK on this issue. The Council comment is going to great efforts to suggest nothing, particularly nothing that has cost implications... the contracted parties are now saying on the list that they are concerned ICANN could use our comment as justification to raise fees as a means of meeting operational requirements. Hence, whenever there is the suggestion for metrics, we are being asked how much said metrics will cost and the suggestion comes in that we just scrap X if there is "any doubt" as to its value. Except for GSE, we can't question the resources allocated to GSE...

But back to our comment. I will do a final tidy up now. The comment has been on the NCSG-Discuss list for four weeks now (six weeks on this PC list) so I hope we will be able to wrap this up and submit it tomorrow, if there is support to do so. Thank you.

Ayden

‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On 1 March 2018 6:59 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> reading and comparing the related paragraphs in council and NCSG comments, ours seems simpler and the main part is basically about the assessment and evaluation of the programs as discussed before. I won't go into semantics but I believe we are taking the simple position of evaluation of the programs for now before making any decision.
>
> the comment is in good shape too for submission and not critical comments pending there. @Ayden can you give another look for clean-up
>
> Asking all PC members to review, help for proof-reading in next day so we can submit before the public comment deadline.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2018-02-26 19:12 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>
>> Thanks Arsene, I think we are expressing the same sentiment albeit diplomatically, however I will allow Rafik as PC Chair to mediate and resolve this one.
>>
>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On 26 February 2018 11:10 AM, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> May I suggest something like: "We do not support the current suggested harsh cut on these programs but we request an assessment before any such decision can be taken". This is what i would like to see there. I am not that good in English so would suggest a rephrasing so it means this for me. If what is written there is the same as what i am sugesting, then fine with me. The current language on that one sentence is confusing for me.
>>> And i will leave this here for you guys to decide as a group.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Arsene
>>>
>>> ------------------------
>>> *[Arsène Tungali](http://about.me/ArseneTungali)*
>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, [Rudi international](http://www.rudiinternational.org),
>>> CEO, [Smart Services Sarl](http://www.smart-serv.info), [Mabingwa Forum](http://www.mabingwa-forum.com)
>>> Tel: [+243 993810967](tel:+243%20993%20810%20967)
>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>> [2015 Mandela Washington Felllow](http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html) (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF [Brazil](http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors) & [Mexico](http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors)) - [AFRISIG 2016](http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/) - [Blogger](http://tungali.blogspot.com) - ICANN's [GNSO Council](https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm) Member.AFRINIC Fellow([Mauritius](http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners)) - [IGFSA Member](http://www.igfsa.org/) - Internet Governance - Internet Freedom.
>>>
>>> Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report ([English](http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234)) and ([French](http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242))
>>>
>>> 2018-02-26 12:04 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>
>>>> I feel like I'm responding to a carbon copy of Martin's comment - so my answer remains the same! :-) The dictionary definition of 'rightsizing' is to "convert (something) to an appropriate or optimum size." That's what we are saying, and I think it is apparent if read in the context of the entire paragraph and not that one sentence which has been extracted.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ayden
>>>>
>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>> On 26 February 2018 10:19 AM, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I believe this is the section that is problematic in my view and needs to be rephrased: "We support the rightsizing of the fellowship and NextGen programmes." It means for me that we support the fact that those programs are cut the way it is suggested in the budget. I don't think we have consensus on this and we should not support, as a SG, the way these programs have been reduced in number (by half or so). I may be wrong though :)
>>>>>
>>>>> I think what we encourage, and what we have agreement on, is the need for an assessment on the effectiveneess of the program and only after that assessment, we can agree on the right action to take on it. This can lead to a cut in number of attendees or anything else but we cannot say that at this moment, before that professional assessment is done. And I believe that's what we pushed for at Council level.
>>>>> Other than that, i fully support the submission of this comment and would like to thank Ayden and everyone for their participation. After reading the comment, it captures everything we discussed and captures what we stand for. As i always say, this is a good informational piece as well for us.
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> *[Arsène Tungali](http://about.me/ArseneTungali)*
>>>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, [Rudi international](http://www.rudiinternational.org),
>>>>> CEO, [Smart Services Sarl](http://www.smart-serv.info), [Mabingwa Forum](http://www.mabingwa-forum.com)
>>>>> Tel: [+243 993810967](tel:+243%20993%20810%20967)
>>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>>> [2015 Mandela Washington Felllow](http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html) (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF [Brazil](http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors) & [Mexico](http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors)) - [AFRISIG 2016](http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/) - [Blogger](http://tungali.blogspot.com) - ICANN's [GNSO Council](https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm) Member.AFRINIC Fellow([Mauritius](http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners)) - [IGFSA Member](http://www.igfsa.org/) - Internet Governance - Internet Freedom.
>>>>>
>>>>> Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report ([English](http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234)) and ([French](http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242))
>>>>>
>>>>> 2018-02-22 6:42 GMT+02:00 Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is all good for me, except for the same part I opposed at council level. I do not support the downsizing of the fellowship and nextgen by a blind cut with no metrics and debate to balance it out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If that is changed slightly like you did for the council to change that part, I will fully support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Cheers,
>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21 Feb 2018 21:22, "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Ayden for the revisions,
>>>>>>> I want to ask all PC members to review asap the draft for endorsment,  the deadline for submission is 2 weeks away and just before PR meeting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2018-02-22 9:14 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have revised the proposed NCSG comment on the FY19 budget:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tBia4z5QQFGz9vFUQUkS0lbZNqU6C5n4pyUmlH3m8e8/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It has not received very many edits or comments just yet. I hope it is on the right track.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>>>>
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