[NCSG-PC] [new draft] NCSG Budget Comment
Dr. Tatiana Tropina
t.tropina at mpicc.de
Fri Mar 2 22:21:48 EET 2018
All, am fine with the comment - you have my approval for submission and
BIG BIG thanks to Ayden for holding the pen and his tireless work on
this. Thank you so much, Ayden.
Cheers,
Tanya
On 01/03/18 06:59, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> reading and comparing the related paragraphs in council and NCSG
> comments, ours seems simpler and the main part is basically about the
> assessment and evaluation of the programs as discussed before. I won't
> go into semantics but I believe we are taking the simple position of
> evaluation of the programs for now before making any decision.
>
> the comment is in good shape too for submission and not critical
> comments pending there. @Ayden can you give another look for clean-up
>
> Asking all PC members to review, help for proof-reading in next day so
> we can submit before the public comment deadline.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
>
> 2018-02-26 19:12 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>
> Thanks Arsene, I think we are expressing the same sentiment albeit
> diplomatically, however I will allow Rafik as PC Chair to mediate
> and resolve this one.
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 26 February 2018 11:10 AM, Arsène Tungali
> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> May I suggest something like: "We do not support the current
>> suggested harsh cut on these programs but we request an
>> assessment before any such decision can be taken". This is what i
>> would like to see there. I am not that good in English so would
>> suggest a rephrasing so it means this for me. If what is written
>> there is the same as what i am sugesting, then fine with me. The
>> current language on that one sentence is confusing for me.
>> And i will leave this here for you guys to decide as a group.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Arsene
>>
>> ------------------------
>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, /Rudi international
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>> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
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>> & Mexico
>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
>> - AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> -
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>> Internet Freedom.//
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>> Check the /2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC/ report (English
>> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and (French
>> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)
>>
>> 2018-02-26 12:04 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>
>> I feel like I'm responding to a carbon copy of Martin's
>> comment - so my answer remains the same! :-) The dictionary
>> definition of 'rightsizing' is to "convert (something) to an
>> appropriate or optimum size." That's what we are saying, and
>> I think it is apparent if read in the context of the entire
>> paragraph and not that one sentence which has been extracted.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On 26 February 2018 10:19 AM, Arsène Tungali
>> <arsenebaguma at gmail.com <mailto:arsenebaguma at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe this is the section that is problematic in my view
>>> and needs to be rephrased: "/We support the rightsizing of
>>> the fellowship and NextGen programmes/." It means for me
>>> that we support the fact that those programs are cut the way
>>> it is suggested in the budget. I don't think we have
>>> consensus on this and we should not support, as a SG, the
>>> way these programs have been reduced in number (by half or
>>> so). I may be wrong though :)
>>>
>>> I think what we encourage, and what we have agreement on, is
>>> the need for an assessment on the effectiveneess of the
>>> program and only after that assessment, we can agree on the
>>> right action to take on it. This can lead to a cut in number
>>> of attendees or anything else but we cannot say that at this
>>> moment, before that professional assessment is done. And I
>>> believe that's what we pushed for at Council level.
>>> Other than that, i fully support the submission of this
>>> comment and would like to thank Ayden and everyone for their
>>> participation. After reading the comment, it captures
>>> everything we discussed and captures what we stand for. As i
>>> always say, this is a good informational piece as well for us.
>>>
>>> ------------------------
>>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, /Rudi international
>>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>/,
>>> CEO,/Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>/,
>>> /Mabingwa Forum <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>/
>>> Tel: +243 993810967 <tel:+243%20993%20810%20967>
>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>> _Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo_
>>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
>>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>>> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
>>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
>>> & Mexico
>>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
>>> - AFRISIG 2016
>>> <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
>>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN's GNSO Council
>>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm>
>>> Member.//AFRINIC Fellow//(Mauritius
>>> <http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>)/-
>>> /IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/> - Internet Governance
>>> - Internet Freedom.//
>>>
>>> Check the /2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC/ report
>>> (English <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and (French
>>> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)
>>>
>>> 2018-02-22 6:42 GMT+02:00 Martin Pablo Silva Valent
>>> <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com <mailto:mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Is all good for me, except for the same part I opposed
>>> at council level. I do not support the downsizing of the
>>> fellowship and nextgen by a blind cut with no metrics
>>> and debate to balance it out.
>>>
>>> If that is changed slightly like you did for the council
>>> to change that part, I will fully support.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> On 21 Feb 2018 21:22, "Rafik Dammak"
>>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Ayden for the revisions,
>>> I want to ask all PC members to review asap the
>>> draft for endorsment, the deadline for submission
>>> is 2 weeks away and just before PR meeting.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2018-02-22 9:14 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline
>>> <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I have revised the proposed NCSG comment on the
>>> FY19 budget:
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tBia4z5QQFGz9vFUQUkS0lbZNqU6C5n4pyUmlH3m8e8/edit?usp=sharing
>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tBia4z5QQFGz9vFUQUkS0lbZNqU6C5n4pyUmlH3m8e8/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>
>>> It has not received very many edits or comments
>>> just yet. I hope it is on the right track.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ayden
>>>
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