[NCSG-PC] [new draft] NCSG Budget Comment

Thu Mar 1 07:59:47 EET 2018

Hi,

reading and comparing the related paragraphs in council and NCSG comments,
ours seems simpler and the main part is basically about the assessment and
evaluation of the programs as discussed before. I won't go into semantics
but I believe we are taking the simple position of evaluation of the
programs for now before making any decision.

the comment is in good shape too for submission and not critical comments
pending there. @Ayden can you give another look for clean-up

Asking all PC members to review, help for proof-reading in next day so we
can submit before the public comment deadline.

Best,

Rafik

2018-02-26 19:12 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:

> Thanks Arsene, I think we are expressing the same sentiment albeit
> diplomatically, however I will allow Rafik as PC Chair to mediate and
> resolve this one.
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On 26 February 2018 11:10 AM, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> May I suggest something like: "We do not support the current suggested
> harsh cut on these programs but we request an assessment before any such
> decision can be taken". This is what i would like to see there. I am not
> that good in English so would suggest a rephrasing so it means this for me.
> If what is written there is the same as what i am sugesting, then fine with
> me. The current language on that one sentence is confusing for me.
> And i will leave this here for you guys to decide as a group.
>
> Thank you,
> Arsene
>
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> 2018-02-26 12:04 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>
>> I feel like I'm responding to a carbon copy of Martin's comment - so my
>> answer remains the same! :-) The dictionary definition of 'rightsizing' is
>> to "convert (something) to an appropriate or optimum size." That's what we
>> are saying, and I think it is apparent if read in the context of the entire
>> paragraph and not that one sentence which has been extracted.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>> On 26 February 2018 10:19 AM, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I believe this is the section that is problematic in my view and needs to
>> be rephrased: "*We support the rightsizing of the fellowship and NextGen
>> programmes*." It means for me that we support the fact that those
>> programs are cut the way it is suggested in the budget. I don't think we
>> have consensus on this and we should not support, as a SG, the way these
>> programs have been reduced in number (by half or so). I may be wrong though
>> :)
>>
>> I think what we encourage, and what we have agreement on, is the need for
>> an assessment on the effectiveneess of the program and only after that
>> assessment, we can agree on the right action to take on it. This can lead
>> to a cut in number of attendees or anything else but we cannot say that at
>> this moment, before that professional assessment is done. And I believe
>> that's what we pushed for at Council level.
>> Other than that, i fully support the submission of this comment and would
>> like to thank Ayden and everyone for their participation. After reading the
>> comment, it captures everything we discussed and captures what we stand
>> for. As i always say, this is a good informational piece as well for us.
>>
>> ------------------------
>> **Arsène Tungali* <http://about.me/ArseneTungali>*
>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, *Rudi international
>> <http://www.rudiinternational.org>*,
>> CEO,* Smart Services Sarl <http://www.smart-serv.info>*, *Mabingwa Forum
>> <http://www.mabingwa-forum.com>*
>> Tel: +243 993810967 <+243%20993%20810%20967>
>> GPG: 523644A0
>> *Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo*
>> 2015 Mandela Washington Felllow
>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html>
>> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF Brazil
>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors>
>> & Mexico
>> <http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors>)
>> - AFRISIG 2016 <http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/> - Blogger
>> <http://tungali.blogspot.com> - ICANN's GNSO Council
>> <https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm> Member. AFRINIC Fellow
>> (Mauritius
>> <http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners>
>> )* - *IGFSA Member <http://www.igfsa.org/> - Internet Governance -
>> Internet Freedom.
>>
>> Check the *2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC* report (English
>> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234>) and (French
>> <http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242>)
>>
>> 2018-02-22 6:42 GMT+02:00 Martin Pablo Silva Valent <
>> mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Is all good for me, except for the same part I opposed at council level.
>>> I do not support the downsizing of the fellowship and nextgen by a blind
>>> cut with no metrics and debate to balance it out.
>>>
>>> If that is changed slightly like you did for the council to change that
>>> part, I will fully support.
>>>
>>>  Cheers,
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> On 21 Feb 2018 21:22, "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Ayden for the revisions,
>>>> I want to ask all PC members to review asap the draft for endorsment,
>>>> the deadline for submission is 2 weeks away and just before PR meeting.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> 2018-02-22 9:14 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have revised the proposed NCSG comment on the FY19 budget:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tBia4z5QQFGz9vFUQUkS0lbZ
>>>>> NqU6C5n4pyUmlH3m8e8/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> It has not received very many edits or comments just yet. I hope it is
>>>>> on the right track.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>
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