[NCSG-PC] Board Seat 14/ appointment process

Fri Jul 13 22:36:23 EEST 2018

I have not received any other feedback. This has been discussed since March
2018. Other than David no one has raised any other concerns.  I am going to
inform CSG that we adopted this process.

Farzaneh

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 7:30 AM Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm> wrote:

> Dear Rafik,
>
> I totally concur based on the rationale given.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Poncelet
>
> On 12 June 2018 at 07:26, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi ,
>>
>> Thanks Farzaneh, I concurr with your explanations and rationale.
>> @Ayden with regard to statement of Interest, I am thinking if we can put
>> that as annex and maybe develop more like some set questions and so on.
>> just to not emphasize one information compared to others.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> Le mar. 12 juin 2018 à 01:14, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> a
>> écrit :
>>
>>> Thanks very much for sharing this, Farzaneh. Please find attached some
>>> suggested edits. In particular, I would like to broadly define what
>>> information should be contained within the Statement of Interest sought
>>> from each candidate. There is no implied criticism here (to be clear, I am
>>> not suggesting that past statements were inadequate) - just wanting to make
>>> sure we capture certain information in the future in the interest of
>>> transparency. I have also re-worded one sentence to do with the NCSG
>>> consulting with members - all the CSG needs to know is we come to a
>>> consensus as a stakeholder group, how is up to us...
>>>
>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>
>>>
>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>> On 11 June 2018 5:59 PM, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks David.
>>>
>>> CSG got back to us and they are happy with the procedure as is with a
>>> minor change in the document I have attached.
>>>
>>> We need to discuss this in more detail. On the one hand, we cannot
>>> change CSG internal procedure. How would we feel if they wanted to change
>>> our internal procedure? On the other hand what you are raising has been an
>>> issue within the community.
>>>
>>> As to NCA, NCA has an advisory role anyhow in the council as well.If it
>>> doesn't provide an advantage (and let's face it, sometimes NCAs would work
>>> against us or would work against both NCSG and CSG) then why not keep the
>>> role advisory?
>>>
>>> I am not disagreeing. I am just putting these questions out there for
>>> the veterans to tell us why we should not accept the procedure as is.
>>>
>>> When I was at the WT on GNSO bylaws changes, we insisted on giving NCA a
>>> role in the empowered community when it came to appointments. This was
>>> because as we argued, NCA could take you out of a deadlock. We argued the
>>> same here, but CSG did not accept the argument. Considering that NomCom
>>> appointments recently to the GNSO have been almost disasterous (for example
>>> they appointed a government person to GNSO!!) I wonder if we want them
>>> fully involved with the process.
>>>
>>> We might continue this discussion with CSG depending on the feedback I
>>> receive here, so please keep the feedback coming, but please also provide
>>> solutions that can be a middle way of what they want and what we want.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:30 PM, David Cake <dave at davecake.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My apologies for taking a while to comment on this.
>>>>
>>>> I admit to disliking this draft, it has significantly changed from the
>>>> old procedure and none of the changes seem positive to me.
>>>>
>>>> The NCA is effectively rendered irrelevant. Included as an adviser is
>>>> meaningless, as far as I can tell. While the NCA offers no particular
>>>> advantage to NCSG, I think it is a definite step back in terms of creating
>>>> an open procedure. .
>>>>
>>>> And it effectively removes the vote of individual councillors entirely.
>>>> NCSG only reluctantly adopted binding councillors individual votes as a
>>>> counter tactic to the CSG, and this procedure enshrines that permanently,
>>>> effectively saying there is no hope that the CSG will have any internal
>>>> democracy, so we shouldn’t bother with the potential for it. And it
>>>> entirely lacks any procedure for coming to an outcome if full consensus
>>>> can’t be found, other than rinse and repeat.
>>>>
>>>> If it was to be adopted, we would at least need a new procedure to
>>>> determine how leadership consensus will be determined, if there is a
>>>> minority opinion.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 27 Mar 2018, at 10:31 am, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> all
>>>>
>>>> here is the second draft of board appointment procedure. CSG accepted
>>>> NCA to be involved with the process but have an advisory role. It also
>>>> accepted to have elections but vote as a block (NCSG and CSG)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>> Farzaneh
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