[NCSG-PC] Reviewing NCSG comment on diversity

Wed Jan 10 02:08:12 EET 2018

Yes, I think it is better to submit something than nothing at all.

However, I also think - and I am speaking generally here, and not specifically about this diversity comment - that we need to be clearer with what changes we want to see reflected in the final report. I find we often use vague language, because yes more community consultation is always required, but don't go into specifics. We shouldn't always be about the process; sometimes someone else can make that argument, which is important, and we should be more forceful in what changes we want to see. Just a thought...

One day as a PC I would like to see us discuss campaign objectives for the year ahead. Perhaps we need to try taking a leaf out of the Council's book and have a Strategic Planning Session of our own [on a smaller scale]?

Ayden

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Reviewing NCSG comment on diversity
> Local Time: 10 January 2018 12:15 AM
> UTC Time: 9 January 2018 23:15
> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> To: Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> Farell Folly <farellfolly at gmail.com>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the comments.
> I believe we can finalize the draft. it was shared for weeks for consultation but we didn't get enough input.
> as co-rapporteur of that subgroup, I really hope that my own group submits a comment. I believe that the group could do more but it was hard to find consensus in some areas. my conclusion was at the end that we need to get some foundations that can be used later and not risk to have nothing. with regard to the summary, I think the subgroup will analyze the comments and not waiting for it if we don't have that many responses, based on other subgroups experience.
>
> with regard to diversity skills, I am neutral. it was discussed several times in the subgroup and was something advocated by SSAC representative which explained that SSAC usually looks for diversity of background (for example to not end up with only DNS operators). there was the argument that can be used to dismiss candidates in nomcom for example. we can suggest text to clarify that element so it can provide guidance during implementation.
>
> I think the current list is acceptable. to be honest, I am not sure to which extent we can add more and be more granular.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2018-01-10 7:52 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>
>> Firstly, thanks to all who were involved in drafting this comment.
>>
>> I have now done a very heavy edit of the Google Doc, so if you have already reviewed it, please can you consider reviewing it again, as I have made many changes.
>>
>> That said, I don't think this comment is ready for submission just yet. When I look over the comment I think, what is it that we have suggested here that we would like to see in the staff summary of comments received? I'm not sure. I don't think our ASK is very clear.
>>
>> I have some issues with the elements of diversity which the subgroup identified, but as I was not involved in their work, I don't have the background to know how they were determined. I have serious concerns around "diverse skills" being an element of diversity. The definition (pasted below my signature) inspires no confidence that it is not going to be an instrument manipulated to maintain the status quo. I think it's both hard to measure and arguably applicable to anyone. The edits from Renata in the Google Doc hint that maybe the seven diversity elements are not sufficiently exhaustive, and I think that's true, but we seem to have been okay with all of the elements that were identified, and I'm wondering if that is the case.
>>
>> — Ayden
>>
>> Diverse Skills: Diversity in skills contributes to the quality of ICANN policy formulation, decision-making and outreach. It is important to highlight and advocate the advantages of individuals bringing different and diverse skills sets into ICANN's many activities. All activities and groups within ICANN will benefit from having a diverse range of skills available. Outcomes formulated from diverse skills and knowledge will have a higher probability of being accepted by a diverse community. Increased diversity would help expand the diversity of skills within ICANN. Thus, achieving diversity in skills should not be seen as a choice between skills and diversity which excludes participation, but rather one which values many skills sets and facilitates inclusion and broad participation.
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Reviewing NCSG comment on diversity
>>> Local Time: 8 January 2018 2:40 PM
>>> UTC Time: 8 January 2018 13:40
>>> From: farellfolly at gmail.com
>>> To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>
>>> At glance, it is seems ok to me. I will read again for proof reading.
>>>
>>> Le lun. 8 janv. 2018 à 07:42, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> as you know we have several public comments draft to endorse in coming days.
>>>> the draft on CCWG recommendation on diversity was put for consultation for weeks and received some comments.
>>>>
>>>> you can find the draft here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m4NHYQj9uOzS5qMU0z6ZdNhqJa7BRPOuHxJuObpewds/edit# . I made some suggestions and put comments myself there.
>>>> We need to clean-up the draft and prepare for review and endorsement soon within this week. comments and proof-reading would be helpful.
>>>>
>>>> the deadline for submission is the 14th Jan. our internal deadline for endorsement should be the 13th Jan.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
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