[NCSG-PC] [new draft] NCSG Budget Comment

Tue Feb 27 16:17:41 EET 2018

Thanks Poncelet, I very much appreciate that.

Ayden

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On 27 February 2018 2:55 PM, Poncelet Ileleji <pileleji at ymca.gm> wrote:

> Dear Ayden,
> Sorry was to send this earlier, you have my support to submit.
>
> Kind Regards
> Poncelet
>
> On 27 February 2018 at 14:51, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much for your review, Farell.
>>
>> I have now received expressions of support for the submission of this comment from Arsene, Martin, and Farell. Comments close in nine days time, but I would like to get this submitted by Friday if possible (provided there is support of course), as I will be in Spain next week.
>>
>> PC, please can you raise any concerns by Friday at the latest, or indicate whether or not you support the submission of this comment. Thanks again!
>>
>> Ayden
>>
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>> On 26 February 2018 11:44 AM, Farell FOLLY <farell at benin2point0.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I went through the document and I like the contents as well as the structure. It emphasizes our essential concerns with strong rationale. I made some minor suggestions.
>>>
>>> Well done Ayden and all those who contribute to this. Have a nice week.
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>> @__f_f__
>>> ____________________________________
>>>
>>> Ekue (Farell) FOLLY
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>>> Africa 2.0 Foundation.
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>>>
>>>> On 26 Feb 2018, at 11:12, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Arsene, I think we are expressing the same sentiment albeit diplomatically, however I will allow Rafik as PC Chair to mediate and resolve this one.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>>
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>>>> On 26 February 2018 11:10 AM, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> May I suggest something like: "We do not support the current suggested harsh cut on these programs but we request an assessment before any such decision can be taken". This is what i would like to see there. I am not that good in English so would suggest a rephrasing so it means this for me. If what is written there is the same as what i am sugesting, then fine with me. The current language on that one sentence is confusing for me.
>>>>> And i will leave this here for you guys to decide as a group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Arsene
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> *[Arsène Tungali](http://about.me/ArseneTungali)*
>>>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, [Rudi international](http://www.rudiinternational.org/),
>>>>> CEO, [Smart Services Sarl](http://www.smart-serv.info/), [Mabingwa Forum](http://www.mabingwa-forum.com/)
>>>>> Tel: [+243 993810967](tel:+243%20993%20810%20967)
>>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>>> [2015 Mandela Washington Felllow](http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html) (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF [Brazil](http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors) & [Mexico](http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors)) - [AFRISIG 2016](http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/) - [Blogger](http://tungali.blogspot.com/) - ICANN's [GNSO Council](https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm) Member.AFRINIC Fellow([Mauritius](http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners)) - [IGFSA Member](http://www.igfsa.org/) - Internet Governance - Internet Freedom.
>>>>>
>>>>> Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report ([English](http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234)) and ([French](http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242))
>>>>>
>>>>> 2018-02-26 12:04 GMT+02:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel like I'm responding to a carbon copy of Martin's comment - so my answer remains the same! :-) The dictionary definition of 'rightsizing' is to "convert (something) to an appropriate or optimum size." That's what we are saying, and I think it is apparent if read in the context of the entire paragraph and not that one sentence which has been extracted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>>> On 26 February 2018 10:19 AM, Arsène Tungali <arsenebaguma at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe this is the section that is problematic in my view and needs to be rephrased: "We support the rightsizing of the fellowship and NextGen programmes." It means for me that we support the fact that those programs are cut the way it is suggested in the budget. I don't think we have consensus on this and we should not support, as a SG, the way these programs have been reduced in number (by half or so). I may be wrong though :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think what we encourage, and what we have agreement on, is the need for an assessment on the effectiveneess of the program and only after that assessment, we can agree on the right action to take on it. This can lead to a cut in number of attendees or anything else but we cannot say that at this moment, before that professional assessment is done. And I believe that's what we pushed for at Council level.
>>>>>>> Other than that, i fully support the submission of this comment and would like to thank Ayden and everyone for their participation. After reading the comment, it captures everything we discussed and captures what we stand for. As i always say, this is a good informational piece as well for us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> *[Arsène Tungali](http://about.me/ArseneTungali)*
>>>>>>> Co-Founder & Executive Director, [Rudi international](http://www.rudiinternational.org/),
>>>>>>> CEO, [Smart Services Sarl](http://www.smart-serv.info/), [Mabingwa Forum](http://www.mabingwa-forum.com/)
>>>>>>> Tel: [+243 993810967](tel:+243%20993%20810%20967)
>>>>>>> GPG: 523644A0
>>>>>>> Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo
>>>>>>> [2015 Mandela Washington Felllow](http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html) (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF [Brazil](http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors) & [Mexico](http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors)) - [AFRISIG 2016](http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/) - [Blogger](http://tungali.blogspot.com/) - ICANN's [GNSO Council](https://gnso.icann.org/en/about/gnso-council.htm) Member.AFRINIC Fellow([Mauritius](http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners)) - [IGFSA Member](http://www.igfsa.org/) - Internet Governance - Internet Freedom.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check the 2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report ([English](http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234)) and ([French](http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=242))
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2018-02-22 6:42 GMT+02:00 Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is all good for me, except for the same part I opposed at council level. I do not support the downsizing of the fellowship and nextgen by a blind cut with no metrics and debate to balance it out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If that is changed slightly like you did for the council to change that part, I will fully support.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Martin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 21 Feb 2018 21:22, "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Ayden for the revisions,
>>>>>>>>> I want to ask all PC members to review asap the draft for endorsment,  the deadline for submission is 2 weeks away and just before PR meeting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2018-02-22 9:14 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have revised the proposed NCSG comment on the FY19 budget:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tBia4z5QQFGz9vFUQUkS0lbZNqU6C5n4pyUmlH3m8e8/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It has not received very many edits or comments just yet. I hope it is on the right track.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ayden
>>>>>>>>>>
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