[NCSG-PC] Fw: [Gnso-sc-budget] Where is CROP in the FY19 Budget?

Mon Feb 12 21:28:18 EET 2018

Thanks for the tip; I will check the transcripts from Copenhagen. However I thought that it was mentioned that CROP was ending as CROPP (pilot programme) and becoming a part of the core budget. And indeed that was the case for the fiscal year 2018; where it is a core activity. The removal of CROP harms both the NCPH and the ALAC. We must punch back...

Ayden

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On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 20:19, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <mpsilvavalent at gmail.com> wrote:

> I do remember back in Copenhagen that it was mentioned by staff that crop was coming to an end as a pilot program, because it wasn't working like ot was expected. I can't recall the specific arguemtno given back then. At council level we won't get cph support if they don't feel generous to do so, but we can push in ncsg level for sure (even in ncph).
>
> Cheers,
> Martin
>
> On 12 Feb 2018 10:45, "Poncelet Ileleji" <pileleji at ymca.gm> wrote:
>
>> Dear Ayden,
>> Thanks for taken your time to explain the deliberations you had today.  Definitely a hard task when as Chair neutrality is required, so kudos to your efforts in raising the issue, even though a lot of clarity is still required moving on.
>> My suggestion  lets give Xavier and is team some time to make  clarity on CROP, I don't want to assume yet, though communication was definitely negligent on this issue.  However lets wait and react proper when Xavier and team gets back to us.
>> Kind Regards
>> Poncelet
>>
>> On 12 February 2018 at 19:02, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I chaired the GNSO's Standing Committee on ICANN Budget and Operations call today and asked both Xavier and Becky about what happened to CROP. As chair the expectation is that I be neutral, and we had no other NCSG representatives on the call, so I could not push the importance of CROP as much I had hoped. If anything I think the criticism could be made, and I would accept it, that I was insufficiently neutral as chair in pushing for an answer here.
>>>
>>> There was certainly not widespread support for the continuation of CROP among the call participants, particularly from the contracted parties, who - and this was just my impression, perhaps I misunderstood them - seemed to me to be suggesting that it was sensible for ICANN to have cut back CROP. They see it as a "nice to have" rather than an "essential" piece of the budget. Staff comments made in the Adobe Connect room as "personal observations" wondered whether we would like CROP or support dedicated to internal capacity building, suggesting we could only have one and not both.
>>>
>>> So I do not have much more clarity just yet as to what has happened to CROP; the Finance department is checking to see if it was folded into a different budget, has been renamed, or was indeed cancelled (it seems there has been a lot of internal discussions in relation to CROP that the community was not privy to), but if it's gone, we really need to fight to save it. We are going to need to mobilise members in support of it...
>>>
>>> After all, if CROP can just mysteriously disappear from the Budget with no announcement or community consultation, what might go next?
>>> Ayden
>>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> On 11 February 2018 11:00 PM, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is a real problem, and especially to do it in the dead of night without notice to the Community.
>>>>
>>>> Ayden: would it be possible to ask ICANN Staff to give us a table of what's "in" and "out" from last year's budget? It seems very fair in the interest of transparency.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I am sorry to see funding for ICANNWiki go down considerably (or was it eliminated completely)? I use ICANN Wiki all the time to try to remember someone, learn about someone and see what they've worked on in ICANN. ICANNWiki staff has told me they want to continue and finding funding, but they need some time to transition off ICANN funding. That seems very fair.
>>>>
>>>> Best and tx to Ayden, Kathy
>>>>
>>>> On 2/11/2018 1:14 PM, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have sent the below email to the mailing list of the GNSO's Standing Committee on Budget and Operations. If true, and I hope I am simply mistaken, I will revise our (NCSG) comment on the FY19 Budget to strongly protest the removal of CROP from the budget. Core activities should not disappear without first being announced. I really hope I am wrong here...
>>>>>
>>>>> —Ayden
>>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> On 11 February 2018 6:58 PM, Ayden Férdeline [<icann at ferdeline.com>](mailto:icann at ferdeline.com) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was reviewing the FY19 Budget documents and cannot seem to find where CROP is. In the FY18 Budget, it was a part of project ID # 151188.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the [ICANN website](https://community.icann.org/display/soaceoutreach), CROP is described as being a core activity: "Following another successful implementation of the CROPP in FY17, the "pilot" program label has been removed and the activity has been moved to the Policy Development Support budget as part of the core activities to be coordinated by that staff in collaboration with the GSE team."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps I am looking in the wrong place, or it has a new project ID; could someone please let me know where I can find CROP in the FY19 Budget? Thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ayden Férdeline
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