[NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral / Review&Endorsment

Edward Morris egmorris1 at toast.net
Tue May 23 16:08:42 EEST 2017 

Hi Rafik,

Much thanks to Matt. I'm not sure what happened to my revisions - Google docs and I don't seem to get along - but fully support submitting the revised comment ASAP.

Best,

Ed

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> On 23 May 2017, at 13:56, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> attached the latest version after Matt edits. 
> I think it is time to submit, we are already over 3 days late from the deadline.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> 2017-05-23 20:20 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears <matthew at intpolicy.com>:
>> I saw that Ed had said he had nuanced the language a little but did not see the changes so I have added to small edits to the text.
>> 
>> Matthew 
>> 
>>> On 23/05/2017 13:15, Matthew Shears wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> These comments were not Stephanie's but mine.   I am happy for them to be removed from this doc in the interest of moving this forward but I do believe that they should be addressed at some point in time.   
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>>> On 23/05/2017 01:22, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>> hi Ayden,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the review.
>>>> I think the comments are from Stephanie and would like to ask her to do the edits asap. the comments are interesting but they are about the question to board about its interpretation of bylaws, how much are they critical to the current comment? I would wait for their resolution but we are quite late for submission. It will be a pity to miss a public comment.
>>>> 
>>>> I am asking all PC members to reply to this comment, it is quite urgent. I understand we have support from Adyen, Ed, Matt. waiting for Stephanie to confirm that she is happy with the current version and if she can resolve her comments by suggesting wording. with no objection in next 12hours, I would submit the comment
>>>> 
>>>> We have also the CC2 comments to act on asap, and SO/AC accountability by this Friday.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Rafik
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2017-05-22 21:47 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>>> Thanks for this reminder, Rafik. I have made a few revisions to the language now, and support the submission of this comment. However, there are still some very good comments on the Google Doc that have not been resolved. Could the author of these comments kindly consider revising the Google Doc to take them into account?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>>> 
>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral / Review&Endorsment
>>>>>> Local Time: May 22, 2017 1:03 AM
>>>>>> UTC Time: May 22, 2017 12:03 AM
>>>>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>
>>>>>> Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> please review asap the current draft and check if you are fine with the wording. we should submit by Monday the comment.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2017-05-20 15:56 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> Hi Ed,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks for the edits, waiting for other to go through and see if other changes are needed or if they are fine with the current version. We can send the comment this weekend after that.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Best.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Rafik 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 20, 2017 7:11 AM, "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Rafik, Ayden, Stephanie, all,
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> I just went into the document and tried to soften the language a bit: unacceptable became inadvisable, I deleted a few of the harsher and perhaps more perhaps unintentionally  incendiary lines. I'm at work so it's a bit difficult at the moment for me to do much more - I'd certainly welcome further edits along those lines,  if folks felt they were needed.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:56 PM
>>>>>>> To: "Ayden Férdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: "ncsg-pc" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral / Review&Endorsment
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Hi Ayden,
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> I saw the comments but they look like questions for me and I cannot really respond to them. I think that they were made by Stephanie, maybe she can propose some edits there? 
>>>>>>> I am happy to delay and hold for few hours the submission if we can get some wording and edits to be considered to change the tone. 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> 2017-05-20 6:49 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>: 
>>>>>>>> Hi Rafik,
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> Just a quick clarification; I support the sentiment of the comment, but as Stephanie alluded to, think it would be better if we are slightly more tactful                                                           in the comment that we send through. I also note that an anonymous commenter left some useful comments in the Google Doc. 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 10:45 pm, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the comment, 
>>>>>>>>> I can understand we have support from Ed, Matt, Ayden, Stephanie and myself for submitting the comment with no objection. also, support from Avri as an observer. I interpret this as having consensus to send the draft. 
>>>>>>>>> if there is no strong objections in next hours, I will submit the comment on behalf of NCSG (document attached).
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> 2017-05-20 6:27 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>: 
>>>>>>>>>> I think it is worded too strongly, but I will support it.
>>>>>>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2017-05-19 16:52, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> so  I see there is more endorsement for opposing the deferral and we have the new draft here https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RILiprppZVCC2J9K1YnNXWU2wsMgqVPjDg1rDrWoQl4/edit
>>>>>>>>>>> can you please express your position quickly so we can submit the comment in due time. I will also share the new draft in NCSG list.
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>>>>> 2017-05-19 23:39 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at apc.org>: 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> i also do not support postponement.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19-May-17 04:51, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > My initial reaction is, I do not support the postponement of mandatory
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Reviews. If there is a compelling reason for why this should happen, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> > would be interested in hearing it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > Ayden
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Review&Endorsment
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Local Time: May 19, 2017 12:52 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> UTC Time: May 18, 2017 11:52 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I am sharing here the draft made by Arshad about ccNSO review
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> deferral  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I understand that Ed objected to the content and explained his point
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> of view on NCSG mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=NCSG-DISCUSS;9ee80ad7.1705 .
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I need to hear from others about their positions and also any
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> suggestion on how to accommodate the 2 opposite views in the NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> comment i.e what can be the consensual position for NCSG here.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> the deadline for submission is also the 19th May and so we have less
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> than 24hours to review and suggest a way to move forward.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> From: *Rafik Dammak* <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Date: 2017-05-17 11:38 GMT+09:00
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral / Consultation
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> To: "NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>"
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>, ncsg-pc
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Arshad kindly drafted and shared his draft for NCSG
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> comment https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Please review it, add your comments, express your support or not in
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> order to assess what we have the common NCSG position on this topics
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> and submitting in time. the deadline for submission is this Friday
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> 19th May.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Best.
>>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
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