[NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral / Review&Endorsment
Rafik Dammak
rafik.dammak at gmail.com
Tue May 23 15:55:27 EEST 2017
Hi,
attached the latest version after Matt edits.
I think it is time to submit, we are already over 3 days late from the
deadline.
Best,
Rafik
2017-05-23 20:20 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears <matthew at intpolicy.com>:
> I saw that Ed had said he had nuanced the language a little but did not
> see the changes so I have added to small edits to the text.
>
> Matthew
>
> On 23/05/2017 13:15, Matthew Shears wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> These comments were not Stephanie's but mine. I am happy for them to be
> removed from this doc in the interest of moving this forward but I do
> believe that they should be addressed at some point in time.
>
> Matthew
>
> On 23/05/2017 01:22, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> hi Ayden,
>
> Thanks for the review.
> I think the comments are from Stephanie and would like to ask her to do
> the edits asap. the comments are interesting but they are about the
> question to board about its interpretation of bylaws, how much are they
> critical to the current comment? I would wait for their resolution but we
> are quite late for submission. It will be a pity to miss a public comment.
>
> I am asking all PC members to reply to this comment, it is quite urgent. I
> understand we have support from Adyen, Ed, Matt. waiting for Stephanie to
> confirm that she is happy with the current version and if she can resolve
> her comments by suggesting wording. with no objection in next 12hours, I
> would submit the comment
>
> We have also the CC2 comments to act on asap, and SO/AC accountability by
> this Friday.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
>
> 2017-05-22 21:47 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>
>> Thanks for this reminder, Rafik. I have made a few revisions to the
>> language now, and support the submission of this comment. However, there
>> are still some very good comments on the Google Doc that have not been
>> resolved. Could the author of these comments kindly consider revising the
>> Google Doc to take them into account?
>>
>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
>> Review&Endorsment
>> Local Time: May 22, 2017 1:03 AM
>> UTC Time: May 22, 2017 12:03 AM
>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> To: Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net>
>> Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> please review asap the current draft and check if you are fine with the
>> wording. we should submit by Monday the comment.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-05-20 15:56 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the edits, waiting for other to go through and see if other
>>> changes are needed or if they are fine with the current version. We can
>>> send the comment this weekend after that.
>>>
>>> Best.
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2017 7:11 AM, "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Rafik, Ayden, Stephanie, all,
>>>
>>> I just went into the document and tried to soften the language a bit:
>>> unacceptable became inadvisable, I deleted a few of the harsher and perhaps
>>> more perhaps unintentionally incendiary lines. I'm at work so it's a bit
>>> difficult at the moment for me to do much more - I'd certainly welcome
>>> further edits along those lines, if folks felt they were needed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent*: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:56 PM
>>> *To*: "Ayden Férdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com>
>>> *Cc*: "ncsg-pc" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>> *Subject*: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
>>> Review&Endorsment
>>>
>>> Hi Ayden,
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> I saw the comments but they look like questions for me and I cannot
>>> really respond to them. I think that they were made by Stephanie, maybe she
>>> can propose some edits there?
>>> I am happy to delay and hold for few hours the submission if we can get
>>> some wording and edits to be considered to change the tone.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2017-05-20 6:49 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi Rafik,
>>>>
>>>> Just a quick clarification; I support the sentiment of the comment, but
>>>> as Stephanie alluded to, think it would be better if we are slightly more
>>>> tactful in the comment that we send through. I also note that an anonymous
>>>> commenter left some useful comments in the Google Doc.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 10:45 pm, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the comment,
>>>> I can understand we have support from Ed, Matt, Ayden, Stephanie and
>>>> myself for submitting the comment with no objection. also, support from
>>>> Avri as an observer. I interpret this as having consensus to send the
>>>> draft.
>>>> if there is no strong objections in next hours, I will submit the
>>>> comment on behalf of NCSG (document attached).
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> 2017-05-20 6:27 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <
>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:
>>>>
>>>>> I think it is worded too strongly, but I will support it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2017-05-19 16:52, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> so I see there is more endorsement for opposing the deferral and we
>>>>> have the new draft here https://docs.google.com/d
>>>>> ocument/d/1RILiprppZVCC2J9K1YnNXWU2wsMgqVPjDg1rDrWoQl4/edit
>>>>> can you please express your position quickly so we can submit the
>>>>> comment in due time. I will also share the new draft in NCSG list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-05-19 23:39 GMT+09:00 avri doria <avri at apc.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i also do not support postponement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> avri
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19-May-17 04:51, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > My initial reaction is, I do not support the postponement of
>>>>>> mandatory
>>>>>> > Reviews. If there is a compelling reason for why this should
>>>>>> happen, I
>>>>>> > would be interested in hearing it.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Many thanks,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Ayden
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>> >> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
>>>>>> >> Review&Endorsment
>>>>>> >> Local Time: May 19, 2017 12:52 AM
>>>>>> >> UTC Time: May 18, 2017 11:52 PM
>>>>>> >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>> >> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I am sharing here the draft made by Arshad about ccNSO review
>>>>>> >> deferral https://docs.google.com/docume
>>>>>> nt/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>> >> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXx
>>>>>> FqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I understand that Ed objected to the content and explained his
>>>>>> point
>>>>>> >> of view on NCSG mailing list
>>>>>> >> https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=NCSG-DISCUSS;9ee8
>>>>>> 0ad7.1705 .
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I need to hear from others about their positions and also any
>>>>>> >> suggestion on how to accommodate the 2 opposite views in the NCSG
>>>>>> >> comment i.e what can be the consensual position for NCSG here.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> the deadline for submission is also the 19th May and so we have
>>>>>> less
>>>>>> >> than 24hours to review and suggest a way to move forward.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Best,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Rafik
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> >> From: *Rafik Dammak* <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>> >> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> >> Date: 2017-05-17 11:38 GMT+09:00
>>>>>> >> Subject: Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral / Consultation
>>>>>> >> To: "NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>>> >> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>"
>>>>>> >> <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>>> >> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>, ncsg-pc
>>>>>> >> <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Arshad kindly drafted and shared his draft for NCSG
>>>>>> >> comment https://docs.google.com/docume
>>>>>> nt/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>> >> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXx
>>>>>> FqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Please review it, add your comments, express your support or not in
>>>>>> >> order to assess what we have the common NCSG position on this
>>>>>> topics
>>>>>> >> and submitting in time. the deadline for submission is this Friday
>>>>>> >> 19th May.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Best.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Rafik
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
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