[NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral / Review&Endorsment
Matthew Shears
matthew at intpolicy.com
Tue May 23 14:20:12 EEST 2017
I saw that Ed had said he had nuanced the language a little but did not
see the changes so I have added to small edits to the text.
Matthew
On 23/05/2017 13:15, Matthew Shears wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> These comments were not Stephanie's but mine. I am happy for them to
> be removed from this doc in the interest of moving this forward but I
> do believe that they should be addressed at some point in time.
>
> Matthew
>
>
> On 23/05/2017 01:22, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> hi Ayden,
>>
>> Thanks for the review.
>> I think the comments are from Stephanie and would like to ask her to
>> do the edits asap. the comments are interesting but they are about
>> the question to board about its interpretation of bylaws, how much
>> are they critical to the current comment? I would wait for their
>> resolution but we are quite late for submission. It will be a pity to
>> miss a public comment.
>>
>> I am asking all PC members to reply to this comment, it is quite
>> urgent. I understand we have support from Adyen, Ed, Matt. waiting
>> for Stephanie to confirm that she is happy with the current version
>> and if she can resolve her comments by suggesting wording. with no
>> objection in next 12hours, I would submit the comment
>>
>> We have also the CC2 comments to act on asap, and SO/AC
>> accountability by this Friday.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>>
>>
>> 2017-05-22 21:47 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>
>> Thanks for this reminder, Rafik. I have made a few revisions to
>> the language now, and support the submission of this comment.
>> However, there are still some very good comments on the Google
>> Doc that have not been resolved. Could the author of these
>> comments kindly consider revising the Google Doc to take them
>> into account?
>>
>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
>>> Review&Endorsment
>>> Local Time: May 22, 2017 1:03 AM
>>> UTC Time: May 22, 2017 12:03 AM
>>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> To: Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> please review asap the current draft and check if you are fine
>>> with the wording. we should submit by Monday the comment.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2017-05-20 15:56 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>> Hi Ed,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the edits, waiting for other to go through and
>>> see if other changes are needed or if they are fine with the
>>> current version. We can send the comment this weekend after
>>> that.
>>>
>>> Best.
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2017 7:11 AM, "Edward Morris"
>>> <egmorris1 at toast.net <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Rafik, Ayden, Stephanie, all,
>>>
>>> I just went into the document and tried to soften the
>>> language a bit: unacceptable became inadvisable, I
>>> deleted a few of the harsher and perhaps more perhaps
>>> unintentionally incendiary lines. I'm at work so it's a
>>> bit difficult at the moment for me to do much more - I'd
>>> certainly welcome further edits along those lines, if
>>> folks felt they were needed.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>> *Sent*: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:56 PM
>>> *To*: "Ayden Férdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com
>>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>>> *Cc*: "ncsg-pc" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>> *Subject*: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review
>>> deferral / Review&Endorsment
>>>
>>> Hi Ayden,
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> I saw the comments but they look like questions for me
>>> and I cannot really respond to them. I think that they
>>> were made by Stephanie, maybe she can propose some edits
>>> there?
>>> I am happy to delay and hold for few hours the
>>> submission if we can get some wording and edits to be
>>> considered to change the tone.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2017-05-20 6:49 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline
>>> <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>>
>>> Hi Rafik,
>>>
>>> Just a quick clarification; I support the sentiment
>>> of the comment, but as Stephanie alluded to, think
>>> it would be better if we are slightly more tactful
>>> in the comment that we send through. I also note
>>> that an anonymous commenter left some useful
>>> comments in the Google Doc.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Ayden Férdeline
>>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 10:45 pm, Rafik Dammak
>>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the comment,
>>>> I can understand we have support from Ed, Matt,
>>>> Ayden, Stephanie and myself for submitting the
>>>> comment with no objection. also, support from Avri
>>>> as an observer. I interpret this as having
>>>> consensus to send the draft.
>>>> if there is no strong objections in next hours, I
>>>> will submit the comment on behalf of NCSG (document
>>>> attached).
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> 2017-05-20 6:27 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin
>>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>:
>>>>
>>>> I think it is worded too strongly, but I will
>>>> support it.
>>>>
>>>> Stephanie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-05-19 16:52, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> so I see there is more endorsement for
>>>>> opposing the deferral and we have the new
>>>>> draft here
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RILiprppZVCC2J9K1YnNXWU2wsMgqVPjDg1rDrWoQl4/edit
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RILiprppZVCC2J9K1YnNXWU2wsMgqVPjDg1rDrWoQl4/edit>
>>>>> can you please express your position quickly
>>>>> so we can submit the comment in due time. I
>>>>> will also share the new draft in NCSG list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-05-19 23:39 GMT+09:00 avri doria
>>>>> <avri at apc.org <mailto:avri at apc.org>>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i also do not support postponement.
>>>>>
>>>>> avri
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19-May-17 04:51, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > My initial reaction is, I do not support
>>>>> the postponement of mandatory
>>>>> > Reviews. If there is a compelling reason
>>>>> for why this should happen, I
>>>>> > would be interested in hearing it.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Many thanks,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Ayden
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>> >> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of
>>>>> CCNSO review deferral /
>>>>> >> Review&Endorsment
>>>>> >> Local Time: May 19, 2017 12:52 AM
>>>>> >> UTC Time: May 18, 2017 11:52 PM
>>>>> >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I am sharing here the draft made by
>>>>> Arshad about ccNSO review
>>>>> >> deferral
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>>.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I understand that Ed objected to the
>>>>> content and explained his point
>>>>> >> of view on NCSG mailing list
>>>>> >>
>>>>> https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=NCSG-DISCUSS;9ee80ad7.1705
>>>>> <https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=NCSG-DISCUSS;9ee80ad7.1705>
>>>>> .
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I need to hear from others about their
>>>>> positions and also any
>>>>> >> suggestion on how to accommodate the 2
>>>>> opposite views in the NCSG
>>>>> >> comment i.e what can be the consensual
>>>>> position for NCSG here.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> the deadline for submission is also the
>>>>> 19th May and so we have less
>>>>> >> than 24hours to review and suggest a
>>>>> way to move forward.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Best,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Rafik
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>> >> From: *Rafik Dammak*
>>>>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>> >> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
>>>>> >> Date: 2017-05-17 11:38 GMT+09:00
>>>>> >> Subject: Draft comment of CCNSO review
>>>>> deferral / Consultation
>>>>> >> To: "NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>>> >> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>"
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>>>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>>> >> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>>,
>>>>> ncsg-pc
>>>>> >> <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>>> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Arshad kindly drafted and shared his
>>>>> draft for NCSG
>>>>> >> comment
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>>.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Please review it, add your comments,
>>>>> express your support or not in
>>>>> >> order to assess what we have the common
>>>>> NCSG position on this topics
>>>>> >> and submitting in time. the deadline
>>>>> for submission is this Friday
>>>>> >> 19th May.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Best.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Rafik
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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