[NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral / Review&Endorsment
Matthew Shears
matthew at intpolicy.com
Tue May 23 14:15:32 EEST 2017
Hi
These comments were not Stephanie's but mine. I am happy for them to
be removed from this doc in the interest of moving this forward but I do
believe that they should be addressed at some point in time.
Matthew
On 23/05/2017 01:22, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> hi Ayden,
>
> Thanks for the review.
> I think the comments are from Stephanie and would like to ask her to
> do the edits asap. the comments are interesting but they are about the
> question to board about its interpretation of bylaws, how much are
> they critical to the current comment? I would wait for their
> resolution but we are quite late for submission. It will be a pity to
> miss a public comment.
>
> I am asking all PC members to reply to this comment, it is quite
> urgent. I understand we have support from Adyen, Ed, Matt. waiting for
> Stephanie to confirm that she is happy with the current version and if
> she can resolve her comments by suggesting wording. with no objection
> in next 12hours, I would submit the comment
>
> We have also the CC2 comments to act on asap, and SO/AC accountability
> by this Friday.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
>
>
> 2017-05-22 21:47 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>
> Thanks for this reminder, Rafik. I have made a few revisions to
> the language now, and support the submission of this comment.
> However, there are still some very good comments on the Google Doc
> that have not been resolved. Could the author of these comments
> kindly consider revising the Google Doc to take them into account?
>
> Best wishes, Ayden
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review deferral /
>> Review&Endorsment
>> Local Time: May 22, 2017 1:03 AM
>> UTC Time: May 22, 2017 12:03 AM
>> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> To: Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>>
>> Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com
>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>, ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> please review asap the current draft and check if you are fine
>> with the wording. we should submit by Monday the comment.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-05-20 15:56 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>:
>>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> Thanks for the edits, waiting for other to go through and see
>> if other changes are needed or if they are fine with the
>> current version. We can send the comment this weekend after that.
>>
>> Best.
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> On May 20, 2017 7:11 AM, "Edward Morris" <egmorris1 at toast.net
>> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rafik, Ayden, Stephanie, all,
>>
>> I just went into the document and tried to soften the
>> language a bit: unacceptable became inadvisable, I
>> deleted a few of the harsher and perhaps more perhaps
>> unintentionally incendiary lines. I'm at work so it's a
>> bit difficult at the moment for me to do much more - I'd
>> certainly welcome further edits along those lines, if
>> folks felt they were needed.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> *From*: "Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>> *Sent*: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:56 PM
>> *To*: "Ayden Férdeline" <icann at ferdeline.com
>> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>
>> *Cc*: "ncsg-pc" <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>> *Subject*: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO review
>> deferral / Review&Endorsment
>>
>> Hi Ayden,
>>
>> Thanks,
>> I saw the comments but they look like questions for me
>> and I cannot really respond to them. I think that they
>> were made by Stephanie, maybe she can propose some edits
>> there?
>> I am happy to delay and hold for few hours the submission
>> if we can get some wording and edits to be considered to
>> change the tone.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-05-20 6:49 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline
>> <icann at ferdeline.com <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>
>> Hi Rafik,
>>
>> Just a quick clarification; I support the sentiment
>> of the comment, but as Stephanie alluded to, think it
>> would be better if we are slightly more tactful in
>> the comment that we send through. I also note that an
>> anonymous commenter left some useful comments in the
>> Google Doc.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Ayden Férdeline
>> Sent from ProtonMail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 10:45 pm, Rafik Dammak
>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Hi Stephanie,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the comment,
>>> I can understand we have support from Ed, Matt,
>>> Ayden, Stephanie and myself for submitting the
>>> comment with no objection. also, support from Avri
>>> as an observer. I interpret this as having consensus
>>> to send the draft.
>>> if there is no strong objections in next hours, I
>>> will submit the comment on behalf of NCSG (document
>>> attached).
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>> 2017-05-20 6:27 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin
>>> <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>> <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>:
>>>
>>> I think it is worded too strongly, but I will
>>> support it.
>>>
>>> Stephanie
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2017-05-19 16:52, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> so I see there is more endorsement for
>>>> opposing the deferral and we have the new draft
>>>> here
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RILiprppZVCC2J9K1YnNXWU2wsMgqVPjDg1rDrWoQl4/edit
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RILiprppZVCC2J9K1YnNXWU2wsMgqVPjDg1rDrWoQl4/edit>
>>>> can you please express your position quickly so
>>>> we can submit the comment in due time. I will
>>>> also share the new draft in NCSG list.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> 2017-05-19 23:39 GMT+09:00 avri doria
>>>> <avri at apc.org <mailto:avri at apc.org>>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i also do not support postponement.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19-May-17 04:51, Ayden Férdeline wrote:
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > My initial reaction is, I do not support
>>>> the postponement of mandatory
>>>> > Reviews. If there is a compelling reason
>>>> for why this should happen, I
>>>> > would be interested in hearing it.
>>>> >
>>>> > Many thanks,
>>>> >
>>>> > Ayden
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> >> Subject: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of
>>>> CCNSO review deferral /
>>>> >> Review&Endorsment
>>>> >> Local Time: May 19, 2017 12:52 AM
>>>> >> UTC Time: May 18, 2017 11:52 PM
>>>> >> From: rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> >> To: ncsg-pc <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I am sharing here the draft made by
>>>> Arshad about ccNSO review
>>>> >> deferral
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>> >>
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>>.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I understand that Ed objected to the
>>>> content and explained his point
>>>> >> of view on NCSG mailing list
>>>> >>
>>>> https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=NCSG-DISCUSS;9ee80ad7.1705
>>>> <https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=NCSG-DISCUSS;9ee80ad7.1705>
>>>> .
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I need to hear from others about their
>>>> positions and also any
>>>> >> suggestion on how to accommodate the 2
>>>> opposite views in the NCSG
>>>> >> comment i.e what can be the consensual
>>>> position for NCSG here.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> the deadline for submission is also the
>>>> 19th May and so we have less
>>>> >> than 24hours to review and suggest a way
>>>> to move forward.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Best,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Rafik
>>>> >>
>>>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> >> From: *Rafik Dammak*
>>>> <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>> >> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>>
>>>> >> Date: 2017-05-17 11:38 GMT+09:00
>>>> >> Subject: Draft comment of CCNSO review
>>>> deferral / Consultation
>>>> >> To: "NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>> >> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>"
>>>> >> <NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>
>>>> >> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
>>>> <mailto:NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu>>>,
>>>> ncsg-pc
>>>> >> <ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>
>>>> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>> <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi all,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Arshad kindly drafted and shared his
>>>> draft for NCSG
>>>> >> comment
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>
>>>> >>
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing>>.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Please review it, add your comments,
>>>> express your support or not in
>>>> >> order to assess what we have the common
>>>> NCSG position on this topics
>>>> >> and submitting in time. the deadline for
>>>> submission is this Friday
>>>> >> 19th May.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Best.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Rafik
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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