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<p>Hi</p>
<p>These comments were not Stephanie's but mine. I am happy for
them to be removed from this doc in the interest of moving this
forward but I do believe that they should be addressed at some
point in time. <br>
</p>
<p>Matthew<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 23/05/2017 01:22, Rafik Dammak
wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">hi Ayden,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Thanks for the review.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">I think the comments are from Stephanie
and would like to ask her to do the edits asap. the comments
are interesting but they are about the question to board about
its interpretation of bylaws, how much are they critical to
the current comment? I would wait for their resolution but we
are quite late for submission. It will be a pity to miss a
public comment.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">I am asking all PC members to reply to
this comment, it is quite urgent. I understand we have support
from Adyen, Ed, Matt. waiting for Stephanie to confirm that
she is happy with the current version and if she can resolve
her comments by suggesting wording. with no objection in next
12hours, I would submit the comment</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">We have also the CC2 comments to act on
asap, and SO/AC accountability by this Friday.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Best,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Rafik</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2017-05-22 21:47 GMT+09:00 Ayden
Férdeline <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Thanks for this reminder, Rafik. I have made a few
revisions to the language now, and support the
submission of this comment. However, there are still
some very good comments on the Google Doc that have not
been resolved. Could the author of these comments kindly
consider revising the Google Doc to take them into
account?<br>
<br>
Best wishes, Ayden</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div>Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Draft comment of CCNSO
review deferral / Review&Endorsment<br>
</div>
</span>
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<div>Local Time: May 22, 2017 1:03 AM<br>
</div>
<div>UTC Time: May 22, 2017 12:03 AM<br>
</div>
<div>From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><br>
</div>
<div>To: Edward Morris <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net"
target="_blank">egmorris1@toast.net</a>><br>
</div>
<div>Ayden Férdeline <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com"
target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>>,
ncsg-pc <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is"
target="_blank">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Hi all,<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">please review asap the
current draft and check if you are fine with the
wording. we should submit by Monday the comment.<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Best,<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>2017-05-20 15:56 GMT+09:00 Rafik Dammak <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"
target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Hi Ed,<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Thanks for the edits,
waiting for other to go through and
see if other changes are needed or if
they are fine with the current
version. We can send the comment this
weekend after that.<br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Best.<br>
</div>
<span
class="gmail-m_-8160527361783538853m_-7307584938172501602HOEnZb"><span
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<div dir="auto">Rafik <br>
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</span></span>
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<div class="gmail_extra">
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<div>On May 20, 2017 7:11 AM,
"Edward Morris" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:egmorris1@toast.net"
rel="noreferrer nofollow
noopener" target="_blank">egmorris1@toast.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Sans
Unicode","Lucida
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style="font-size:14px">
<div>Hi Rafik, Ayden,
Stephanie, all,<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>I just went into the
document and tried to
soften the language a
bit: unacceptable became
inadvisable, I deleted a
few of the harsher and
perhaps more perhaps
unintentionally
incendiary lines. I'm
at work so it's a bit
difficult at the moment
for me to do much more
- I'd certainly welcome
further edits along
those lines, if folks
felt they were needed.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Ed<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
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style="font-size:10pt"><b>From</b>: "Rafik Dammak" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"
target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent</b>:
Friday, May 19,
2017 10:56 PM<br>
<b>To</b>: "Ayden
Férdeline" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" rel="noreferrer
nofollow
noopener"
target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc</b>:
"ncsg-pc" <<a
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href="mailto:ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"
target="_blank">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>><br>
<b>Subject</b>:
Re: [NCSG-PC]
Draft comment of
CCNSO review
deferral /
Review&Endorsment</span></span></div>
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<div>Hi Ayden,<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,<br>
</div>
<div>I saw the
comments but
they look like
questions for
me and I
cannot really
respond to
them. I think
that they were
made by
Stephanie,
maybe she can
propose some
edits there? <br>
</div>
<div>I am
happy to delay
and hold for
few hours the
submission if
we can get
some wording
and edits to
be considered
to change the
tone. <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>Best,<br>
</div>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"> <br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div> <br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>2017-05-20
6:49 GMT+09:00
Ayden
Férdeline <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:icann@ferdeline.com" rel="noreferrer
nofollow
noopener"
target="_blank">icann@ferdeline.com</a>></span>:
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<div>Hi Rafik,<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Just a
quick
clarification;
I support the
sentiment of
the comment,
but as
Stephanie
alluded
to, think it
would be
better if we
are slightly
more tactful
in the comment
that we send
through. I
also note that
an anonymous
commenter left
some useful
comments in
the Google
Doc. <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Best
wishes,<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Ayden
Férdeline<br>
</div>
<div> Sent
from
ProtonMail
Mobile<br>
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<div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>On Fri,
May 19, 2017
at 10:45 pm,
Rafik Dammak
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"
target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div>
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type="cite"
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<div
class="gmail_extra">Hi
Stephanie,<br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"> <br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div>Thanks
for the
comment, <br>
</div>
<div> I can
understand we
have support
from Ed, Matt,
Ayden,
Stephanie and
myself for
submitting the
comment with
no objection.
also, support
from Avri as
an observer. I
interpret this
as having
consensus to
send the
draft. <br>
</div>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">if
there is no
strong
objections in
next hours, I
will submit
the comment on
behalf of NCSG
(document
attached).<br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"> <br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">Best,<br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"> <br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">Rafik<br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"> <br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>2017-05-20
6:27 GMT+09:00
Stephanie
Perrin <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca"
rel="noreferrer
nofollow
noopener"
target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoront<wbr>o.ca</a>></span>:
<br>
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<p><span
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class="gmail-m_-8160527361783538853m_-7307584938172501602font"
style="font-family:"Lucida
Grande"">I
think it is
worded too
strongly, but
I will support
it.</span></span><br>
</p>
<p><span
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style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span
class="gmail-m_-8160527361783538853m_-7307584938172501602size"><span
class="gmail-m_-8160527361783538853m_-7307584938172501602font"
style="font-family:"Lucida Grande"">Stephanie</span></span></span></span><br>
</p>
<div>
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<div> <br>
</div>
<div
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2017-05-19
16:52, Rafik
Dammak wrote:<br>
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<div
class="gmail_extra">Hi
all,<br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"> <br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">so
I see there
is more
endorsement
for opposing
the deferral
and we have
the new draft
here <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RILiprppZVCC2J9K1YnNXWU2wsMgqVPjDg1rDrWoQl4/edit"
rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/d<wbr>ocument/d/1RILiprppZVCC2J9K1Yn<wbr>NXWU2wsMgqVPjDg1rDrWoQl4/edit</a><br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">can
you please
express your
position
quickly so we
can submit the
comment in due
time. I will
also share the
new draft in
NCSG list.<br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"> <br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">Best,<br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"> <br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div>Rafik<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>2017-05-19
23:39
GMT+09:00 avri
doria <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:avri@apc.org" rel="noreferrer
nofollow
noopener"
target="_blank">avri@apc.org</a>></span>:
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<div>i also do
not support
postponement.<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> avri<br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <br>
</div>
<div> <span
class="gmail-m_-8160527361783538853m_-7307584938172501602m_6069778400312764534m_1551923193837247666m_4830783447024047954m_-5436330229012445817gmail-">On
19-May-17
04:51, Ayden
Férdeline
wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> My
initial
reaction is, I
do not support
the
postponement
of mandatory<br>
> Reviews.
If there is a
compelling
reason for why
this should
happen, I<br>
> would be
interested in
hearing it.<br>
><br>
> Many
thanks,<br>
><br>
> Ayden<br>
><br>
><br>
>>
--------
Original
Message
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>>
Subject:
[NCSG-PC]
Draft comment
of CCNSO
review
deferral /<br>
>>
Review&Endorsment<br>
>> Local
Time: May 19,
2017 12:52 AM<br>
>> UTC
Time: May 18,
2017 11:52 PM<br>
>> From:
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rafik.dammak@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"
target="_blank">rafik.dammak@gmail.com</a><br>
>> To:
ncsg-pc <<a
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rel="noreferrer
nofollow
noopener"
target="_blank">ncsg-pc@lists.ncsg.is</a>><br>
>><br>
>> Hi
all,<br>
>><br>
>> I am
sharing here
the draft made
by Arshad
about ccNSO
review<br>
>>
deferral <a
moz-do-not-send="true" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing"
target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/docume<wbr>nt/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxF<wbr>qXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=s<wbr>haring</a></span></div>
<div> >>
<<a
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rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXxFqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=sharing"
target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/docum<wbr>ent/d/1ZZOFEBt1xbRblheuIvBdSXx<wbr>FqXiEBiesFflka6Rtk7I/edit?usp=<wbr>sharing</a>>.<br>
</div>
<div> <span
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>> I
understand
that Ed
objected to
the content
and explained
his point<br>
>> of
view on NCSG
mailing list<br>
>> <a
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rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"
href="https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=NCSG-DISCUSS;9ee80ad7.1705"
target="_blank">https://listserv.syr.edu/scrip<wbr>ts/wa.exe?A2=NCSG-DISCUSS;9ee8<wbr>0ad7.1705</a>
.<br>
>><br>
>> I
need to hear
from others
about their
positions and
also any<br>
>>
suggestion on
how to
accommodate
the 2 opposite
views in the
NCSG<br>
>>
comment i.e
what can be
the consensual
position for
NCSG here.<br>
>><br>
>> the
deadline for
submission is
also the 19th
May and so we
have less<br>
>> than
24hours to
review and
suggest a way
to move
forward.<br>
>><br>
>> Best,<br>
>><br>
>> Rafik<br>
>><br>
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Dammak* <<a
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>> Date:
2017-05-17
11:38
GMT+09:00<br>
>>
Subject: Draft
comment of
CCNSO review
deferral /
Consultation<br>
>> To: "<a
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>> <<a
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Arshad kindly
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