[NCSG-PC] Endorsement of NCSG Comment on GNSO operating procedures change

Fri Aug 11 17:44:29 EEST 2017

So I gather that there was not support for my suggested addition. I will
not add it in the document. I also find this sentence problematic:"Finally,
we should note that there was disagreement in the DT as to who should speak
on behalf of the GNSO as a Decisional Participant in the Empowered
Community. " there was disagreement but we reached consensus. This sentence
is not drafted carefully to reflect that there was consensus and only
emphasizes on the disagreement. I suggest reframing it like this: Finally,
we should note that the DT reached a consensus that *GNSO Council* should
speak on behalf of the GNSO as a Decisional Participant in the Empowered
Community.

Farzaneh

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Stephanie Perrin <
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:

> I think it looks fine now.  I endorse it!
>
> cheers SP
>
> On 2017-08-11 08:15, Matthew Shears wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I have added a brief comment on the role of the GNSO Council.  Please
> review carefully.
>
> Note that the BC submission refers to this issue extensively.
>
> Matthew
>
> On 11/08/2017 03:33, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>
> Hi Matt, Stephanie,
>
> can you please add the two suggested comments to the draft asap?
> I see support for the draft but we should add those edits quickly.
>
> Best,
>
> Rafik
>
> 2017-08-10 17:45 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>:
>
>> I think we should add that. please also consider adding what I mentioned
>> in my previous email. DT had a debate and reached consensus on many
>> important issues which were contentious, mainly participation of GNSO in
>> the empowered community through the council and the thresholds to reach
>> decisions. As Stephanie agreed to add something like that, I kindly ask her
>> to just come up with a once sentence which encompasses what I said in my
>> previous email since she knows how the council functions better than I do.
>>
>> Farzaneh
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:37 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Matt,
>>>
>>> I do think we can add a similar line to our comment .
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Rafik
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-08-10 17:19 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears <matthew at intpolicy.com>:
>>>
>>>> I'm drawing it to the attention of the PC - the issue of the role of
>>>> Council was a contentious one in the DT with the BC and other suggesting
>>>> that the Council was exceeding its role if it took on EC responsibilities.
>>>> NCSG and RySG were aligned on this seeing no issue with Council assuming
>>>> the role.   My question was whether we thought we should add a similar line
>>>> on the role of Council in our submission.
>>>>
>>>> Matthew
>>>>
>>>> On 10/08/2017 09:13, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>>
>>>> are you suggesting a change to the comment? do you have some wording to
>>>> add?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>> 2017-08-10 17:05 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears <matthew at intpolicy.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>
>>>>> I draw your attention to this submission by the RySG:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-gnso-op-procedures-19
>>>>> jun17/attachments/20170807/1d703c9a/RySGpubliccomment-GNSOOp
>>>>> eratingProceduresandICANNBylaws-0001.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> They note the following which we may wish to emulate (at a minimum the
>>>>> first line I would have thought):
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *The RySG fully recognises the authority of the GNSO Council to speak
>>>>> on behalf of the GNSO as Decisional Participant in the Empowered Community.
>>>>> This is in line with current practice and working methods and respects the
>>>>> existing equilibrium within the GNSO’s structure. The RySG agrees that on
>>>>> this point no changes need to be made to the ICANN Bylaws in relation to
>>>>> the role and description of the GNSO Council.*
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/08/2017 01:03, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> the deadline for submission is this Friday. I attached the clean
>>>>> version for review. I understand that Matt, Poncelet, Stephanie support the
>>>>> comment. we need to hear from other PC members.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-08-07 23:24 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <
>>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that is a really good idea, as these are important
>>>>>> procedures, and we need to be able to amend if required.  Hard to
>>>>>> anticipate everything, in my view...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SP
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2017-08-07 08:49, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was on the DT group. I don't have the time to go through every
>>>>>> single change and see if they accord with what we agreed on. If you want in
>>>>>> the public comment we should ask that if later on during implementing the
>>>>>> operating procedures we find out that  changes recommended by  DT   for
>>>>>> some reason are not reflected in the new  GNSO operating procedures, GNSO
>>>>>> should follow the DT advice in those circumstances and allow for the
>>>>>> mistake to be corrected.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Stephanie Perrin <
>>>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It looks fine to me.  I don't have knowledge of or time to do the
>>>>>>> research on the issues at the moment, so I hope that those who do can catch
>>>>>>> things that need changes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers Stephanie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2017-08-07 02:07, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the comment is quite straightforward and supporting the changes
>>>>>>> outlined in the public consultation.
>>>>>>> we can have as the deadline for review and endorsement the 9th
>>>>>>> August. I urge councilors, in particular, to review the changes since it
>>>>>>> concerns the operating procedures.
>>>>>>> Thanks, Matt again for the draft. I resolved the edits made by
>>>>>>> Ayden. ant proof-reading and review would be helpful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2017-08-05 6:33 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have made some minor alterations to style, but added nothing of
>>>>>>>> substance. I hope someone with more knowledge of this issue will be able to
>>>>>>>> contribute to our comment. Submissions are due in six days time. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Comment on GNSO operating procedures
>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>> Local Time: August 1, 2017 5:35 PM
>>>>>>>> UTC Time: August 1, 2017 4:35 PM
>>>>>>>> From: matthew at intpolicy.com
>>>>>>>> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wanted to get this back at the top of the list of to-do's as time
>>>>>>>> is running out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Appreciate the comments from some of the PC members but would
>>>>>>>> welcome additional inputs, thoughts, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See google doc below.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 27/07/2017 03:08, Martin Pablo Silva Valent wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Matt,
>>>>>>>> I don’t have any comment to do, I agree with the statements and the
>>>>>>>> wording. Let me know if I can do anything specific to help. Other than that
>>>>>>>> you have my support. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Martín
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the deadline for the public comment is the 10th of August, we have
>>>>>>>> to finish consulting with NCSG members, review and endorsement prior to
>>>>>>>> that. I suggest 8th August as our internal deadline.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-07-25 23:28 GMT+09:00 Stefania Milan <stefania.milan at eui.eu>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Matt, thanks. What's the deadline for this? I am in transit (and
>>>>>>>>> in fact, on holiday), witch sketchy internet access and the doc doesn't
>>>>>>>>> open for me today (might be the poor connection...)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Matthew Shears <matthew at intpolicy.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let me qualify the last sentence - ICANN staff are not adding new
>>>>>>>>> items in addition to the work of the DT, but rather adding references to
>>>>>>>>> work done previously.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 25/07/2017 16:05, Matthew Shears wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Calling all PCers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have started on the above public comment but am still going
>>>>>>>>> through the consultation docs.  However, time marches on and we need to get
>>>>>>>>> this one underway.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, please review the consultation docs here:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/gnso-op-procedures-201
>>>>>>>>> 7-06-19-en
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And make comments in the google doc here:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gydCJ3IFGsptk8BTYa8aQ5lF
>>>>>>>>> -ddk_Q9DWja7bZIgsiY/edit
>>>>>>>>> Note that ICANN staff have used this opportunity to include other
>>>>>>>>> changes that the DT did not discuss.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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