[NCSG-PC] Endorsement of NCSG Comment on GNSO operating procedures change

Rafik Dammak rafik.dammak at gmail.com
Sat Aug 12 10:08:38 EEST 2017 

Hi Farzaneh, Mathew,


I added your suggestion for rephrasing the last paragraph and I also added
your previous suggestion from the other thread:
*" If later on during implementing the operating procedures, it is found
out that changes recommended by  DT   for some reason are not reflected in
the new  GNSO operating procedures, GNSO should follow the DT advice in
those circumstances and allow for the mistake to be corrected.  "*

please find attached the latest version, if there is no objection in next
12hours, I will submit the comment.

Best,

Rafik

2017-08-11 23:44 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>:

> So I gather that there was not support for my suggested addition. I will
> not add it in the document. I also find this sentence problematic:"Finally,
> we should note that there was disagreement in the DT as to who should speak
> on behalf of the GNSO as a Decisional Participant in the Empowered
> Community. " there was disagreement but we reached consensus. This
> sentence is not drafted carefully to reflect that there was consensus and
> only emphasizes on the disagreement. I suggest reframing it like this: Finally,
> we should note that the DT reached a consensus that *GNSO Council* should
> speak on behalf of the GNSO as a Decisional Participant in the Empowered
> Community.
>
> Farzaneh
>
> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.
> utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
>> I think it looks fine now.  I endorse it!
>>
>> cheers SP
>>
>> On 2017-08-11 08:15, Matthew Shears wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have added a brief comment on the role of the GNSO Council.  Please
>> review carefully.
>>
>> Note that the BC submission refers to this issue extensively.
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> On 11/08/2017 03:33, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>
>> Hi Matt, Stephanie,
>>
>> can you please add the two suggested comments to the draft asap?
>> I see support for the draft but we should add those edits quickly.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-08-10 17:45 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> I think we should add that. please also consider adding what I mentioned
>>> in my previous email. DT had a debate and reached consensus on many
>>> important issues which were contentious, mainly participation of GNSO in
>>> the empowered community through the council and the thresholds to reach
>>> decisions. As Stephanie agreed to add something like that, I kindly ask her
>>> to just come up with a once sentence which encompasses what I said in my
>>> previous email since she knows how the council functions better than I do.
>>>
>>> Farzaneh
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:37 AM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>>
>>>> I do think we can add a similar line to our comment .
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Rafik
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2017-08-10 17:19 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears <matthew at intpolicy.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm drawing it to the attention of the PC - the issue of the role of
>>>>> Council was a contentious one in the DT with the BC and other suggesting
>>>>> that the Council was exceeding its role if it took on EC responsibilities.
>>>>> NCSG and RySG were aligned on this seeing no issue with Council assuming
>>>>> the role.   My question was whether we thought we should add a similar line
>>>>> on the role of Council in our submission.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/08/2017 09:13, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>>>
>>>>> are you suggesting a change to the comment? do you have some wording
>>>>> to add?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017-08-10 17:05 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears <matthew at intpolicy.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I draw your attention to this submission by the RySG:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-gnso-op-procedures-19
>>>>>> jun17/attachments/20170807/1d703c9a/RySGpubliccomment-GNSOOp
>>>>>> eratingProceduresandICANNBylaws-0001.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They note the following which we may wish to emulate (at a minimum
>>>>>> the first line I would have thought):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *The RySG fully recognises the authority of the GNSO Council to speak
>>>>>> on behalf of the GNSO as Decisional Participant in the Empowered Community.
>>>>>> This is in line with current practice and working methods and respects the
>>>>>> existing equilibrium within the GNSO’s structure. The RySG agrees that on
>>>>>> this point no changes need to be made to the ICANN Bylaws in relation to
>>>>>> the role and description of the GNSO Council.*
>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/08/2017 01:03, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the deadline for submission is this Friday. I attached the clean
>>>>>> version for review. I understand that Matt, Poncelet, Stephanie support the
>>>>>> comment. we need to hear from other PC members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-08-07 23:24 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin <
>>>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that is a really good idea, as these are important
>>>>>>> procedures, and we need to be able to amend if required.  Hard to
>>>>>>> anticipate everything, in my view...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> SP
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2017-08-07 08:49, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was on the DT group. I don't have the time to go through every
>>>>>>> single change and see if they accord with what we agreed on. If you want in
>>>>>>> the public comment we should ask that if later on during implementing the
>>>>>>> operating procedures we find out that  changes recommended by  DT   for
>>>>>>> some reason are not reflected in the new  GNSO operating procedures, GNSO
>>>>>>> should follow the DT advice in those circumstances and allow for the
>>>>>>> mistake to be corrected.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Farzaneh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Stephanie Perrin <
>>>>>>> stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It looks fine to me.  I don't have knowledge of or time to do the
>>>>>>>> research on the issues at the moment, so I hope that those who do can catch
>>>>>>>> things that need changes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cheers Stephanie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2017-08-07 02:07, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the comment is quite straightforward and supporting the changes
>>>>>>>> outlined in the public consultation.
>>>>>>>> we can have as the deadline for review and endorsement the 9th
>>>>>>>> August. I urge councilors, in particular, to review the changes since it
>>>>>>>> concerns the operating procedures.
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Matt again for the draft. I resolved the edits made by
>>>>>>>> Ayden. ant proof-reading and review would be helpful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2017-08-05 6:33 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have made some minor alterations to style, but added nothing of
>>>>>>>>> substance. I hope someone with more knowledge of this issue will be able to
>>>>>>>>> contribute to our comment. Submissions are due in six days time. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best wishes, Ayden
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Comment on GNSO operating procedures
>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>>> Local Time: August 1, 2017 5:35 PM
>>>>>>>>> UTC Time: August 1, 2017 4:35 PM
>>>>>>>>> From: matthew at intpolicy.com
>>>>>>>>> To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is, farzaneh badii <
>>>>>>>>> farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wanted to get this back at the top of the list of to-do's as time
>>>>>>>>> is running out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Appreciate the comments from some of the PC members but would
>>>>>>>>> welcome additional inputs, thoughts, etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See google doc below.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 27/07/2017 03:08, Martin Pablo Silva Valent wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Matt,
>>>>>>>>> I don’t have any comment to do, I agree with the statements and
>>>>>>>>> the wording. Let me know if I can do anything specific to help. Other than
>>>>>>>>> that you have my support. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Martín
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the deadline for the public comment is the 10th of August, we have
>>>>>>>>> to finish consulting with NCSG members, review and endorsement prior to
>>>>>>>>> that. I suggest 8th August as our internal deadline.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rafik
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2017-07-25 23:28 GMT+09:00 Stefania Milan <stefania.milan at eui.eu>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Matt, thanks. What's the deadline for this? I am in transit
>>>>>>>>>> (and in fact, on holiday), witch sketchy internet access and the doc
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't open for me today (might be the poor connection...)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:17 AM, Matthew Shears <
>>>>>>>>>> matthew at intpolicy.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let me qualify the last sentence - ICANN staff are not adding new
>>>>>>>>>> items in addition to the work of the DT, but rather adding references to
>>>>>>>>>> work done previously.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 25/07/2017 16:05, Matthew Shears wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Calling all PCers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have started on the above public comment but am still going
>>>>>>>>>> through the consultation docs.  However, time marches on and we need to get
>>>>>>>>>> this one underway.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, please review the consultation docs here:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/gnso-op-procedures-201
>>>>>>>>>> 7-06-19-en
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And make comments in the google doc here:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gydCJ3IFGsptk8BTYa8aQ5lF
>>>>>>>>>> -ddk_Q9DWja7bZIgsiY/edit
>>>>>>>>>> Note that ICANN staff have used this opportunity to include other
>>>>>>>>>> changes that the DT did not discuss.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Matthew
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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