[NCSG-PC] Endorsement of NCSG Comment on GNSO operating procedures change

Stephanie Perrin stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Fri Aug 11 17:14:59 EEST 2017


I think it looks fine now.  I endorse it!

cheers SP


On 2017-08-11 08:15, Matthew Shears wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I have added a brief comment on the role of the GNSO Council. Please 
> review carefully.
>
> Note that the BC submission refers to this issue extensively.
>
> Matthew
>
>
> On 11/08/2017 03:33, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>> Hi Matt, Stephanie,
>>
>> can you please add the two suggested comments to the draft asap?
>> I see support for the draft but we should add those edits quickly.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Rafik
>>
>> 2017-08-10 17:45 GMT+09:00 farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>>:
>>
>>     I think we should add that. please also consider adding what I
>>     mentioned in my previous email. DT had a debate and reached
>>     consensus on many important issues which were contentious, mainly
>>     participation of GNSO in the empowered community through the
>>     council and the thresholds to reach decisions. As Stephanie
>>     agreed to add something like that, I kindly ask her to just come
>>     up with a once sentence which encompasses what I said in my
>>     previous email since she knows how the council functions better
>>     than I do.
>>
>>     Farzaneh
>>
>>     On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:37 AM, Rafik Dammak
>>     <rafik.dammak at gmail.com <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         Hi Matt,
>>
>>         I do think we can add a similar line to our comment .
>>
>>         Best,
>>
>>         Rafik
>>
>>
>>         2017-08-10 17:19 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears
>>         <matthew at intpolicy.com <mailto:matthew at intpolicy.com>>:
>>
>>             I'm drawing it to the attention of the PC - the issue of
>>             the role of Council was a contentious one in the DT with
>>             the BC and other suggesting that the Council was
>>             exceeding its role if it took on EC responsibilities. 
>>             NCSG and RySG were aligned on this seeing no issue with
>>             Council assuming the role.   My question was whether we
>>             thought we should add a similar line on the role of
>>             Council in our submission.
>>
>>             Matthew
>>
>>
>>             On 10/08/2017 09:13, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>             Hi Matt,
>>>
>>>             are you suggesting a change to the comment? do you have
>>>             some wording to add?
>>>
>>>             Best,
>>>
>>>             Rafik
>>>
>>>             2017-08-10 17:05 GMT+09:00 Matthew Shears
>>>             <matthew at intpolicy.com <mailto:matthew at intpolicy.com>>:
>>>
>>>                 Hi all
>>>
>>>                 I draw your attention to this submission by the RySG:
>>>
>>>                 http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-gnso-op-procedures-19jun17/attachments/20170807/1d703c9a/RySGpubliccomment-GNSOOperatingProceduresandICANNBylaws-0001.pdf
>>>                 <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/comments-gnso-op-procedures-19jun17/attachments/20170807/1d703c9a/RySGpubliccomment-GNSOOperatingProceduresandICANNBylaws-0001.pdf>
>>>
>>>                 They note the following which we may wish to emulate
>>>                 (at a minimum the first line I would have thought):
>>>
>>>                 /The RySG fully recognises the authority of the GNSO
>>>                 Council to speak on behalf of the GNSO as
>>>                 Decisional Participant in the Empowered Community.
>>>                 This is in line with current practice and
>>>                 working methods and respects the existing
>>>                 equilibrium within the GNSO’s structure. The RySG
>>>                 agrees that on this point no changes need to be made
>>>                 to the ICANN Bylaws in relation to the role
>>>                 and description of the GNSO Council.///
>>>
>>>                 Matthew
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                 On 10/08/2017 01:03, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>                 Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>                 the deadline for submission is this Friday. I
>>>>                 attached the clean version for review. I understand
>>>>                 that Matt, Poncelet, Stephanie support the comment.
>>>>                 we need to hear from other PC members.
>>>>
>>>>                 Best,
>>>>
>>>>                 Rafik
>>>>
>>>>                 2017-08-07 23:24 GMT+09:00 Stephanie Perrin
>>>>                 <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>>                 <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>:
>>>>
>>>>                     I think that is a really good idea, as these
>>>>                     are important procedures, and we need to be
>>>>                     able to amend if required. Hard to anticipate
>>>>                     everything, in my view...
>>>>
>>>>                     SP
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                     On 2017-08-07 08:49, farzaneh badii wrote:
>>>>>                     Hi
>>>>>
>>>>>                     I was on the DT group. I don't have the time
>>>>>                     to go through every single change and see if
>>>>>                     they accord with what we agreed on. If you
>>>>>                     want in the public comment we should ask that
>>>>>                     if later on during implementing the operating
>>>>>                     procedures we find out that
>>>>>                      changes recommended by  DT   for some reason
>>>>>                     are not reflected in the new  GNSO operating
>>>>>                     procedures, GNSO should follow the DT advice
>>>>>                     in those circumstances and allow for the
>>>>>                     mistake to be corrected.
>>>>>
>>>>>                     Farzaneh
>>>>>
>>>>>                     On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Stephanie
>>>>>                     Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
>>>>>                     <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>                         It looks fine to me.  I don't have
>>>>>                         knowledge of or time to do the research on
>>>>>                         the issues at the moment, so I hope that
>>>>>                         those who do can catch things that need
>>>>>                         changes.
>>>>>
>>>>>                         cheers Stephanie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                         On 2017-08-07 02:07, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>>>>>                         Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         the comment is quite straightforward and
>>>>>>                         supporting the changes outlined in the
>>>>>>                         public consultation.
>>>>>>                         we can have as the deadline for review
>>>>>>                         and endorsement the 9th August. I urge
>>>>>>                         councilors, in particular, to review the
>>>>>>                         changes since it concerns the operating
>>>>>>                         procedures.
>>>>>>                         Thanks, Matt again for the draft. I
>>>>>>                         resolved the edits made by Ayden. ant
>>>>>>                         proof-reading and review would be helpful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         Rafik
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                         2017-08-05 6:33 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline
>>>>>>                         <icann at ferdeline.com
>>>>>>                         <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                             Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                             I have made some minor alterations to
>>>>>>                             style, but added nothing of
>>>>>>                             substance. I hope someone with more
>>>>>>                             knowledge of this issue will be able
>>>>>>                             to contribute to our comment.
>>>>>>                             Submissions are due in six days time.
>>>>>>                             Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                             Best wishes, Ayden
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                             -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>>                             Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] NCSG Comment
>>>>>>>                             on GNSO operating procedures change
>>>>>>>                             Local Time: August 1, 2017 5:35 PM
>>>>>>>                             UTC Time: August 1, 2017 4:35 PM
>>>>>>>                             From: matthew at intpolicy.com
>>>>>>>                             <mailto:matthew at intpolicy.com>
>>>>>>>                             To: ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is
>>>>>>>                             <mailto:ncsg-pc at lists.ncsg.is>,
>>>>>>>                             farzaneh badii
>>>>>>>                             <farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM
>>>>>>>                             <mailto:farzaneh.badii at GMAIL.COM>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                             Hi all
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                             Wanted to get this back at the top
>>>>>>>                             of the list of to-do's as time is
>>>>>>>                             running out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                             Appreciate the comments from some of
>>>>>>>                             the PC members but would welcome
>>>>>>>                             additional inputs, thoughts, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                             See google doc below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                             Thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                             Matthew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                             On 27/07/2017 03:08, Martin Pablo
>>>>>>>                             Silva Valent wrote:
>>>>>>>>                             Matt,
>>>>>>>>                             I don’t have any comment to do, I
>>>>>>>>                             agree with the statements and the
>>>>>>>>                             wording. Let me know if I can do
>>>>>>>>                             anything specific to help. Other
>>>>>>>>                             than that you have my support. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                             Cheers,
>>>>>>>>                             Martín
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                             On Jul 25, 2017, at 8:22 PM, Rafik
>>>>>>>>>                             Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>                             <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>>>                             wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                             Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                             the deadline for the public
>>>>>>>>>                             comment is the 10th of August, we
>>>>>>>>>                             have to finish consulting with
>>>>>>>>>                             NCSG members, review and
>>>>>>>>>                             endorsement prior to that. I
>>>>>>>>>                             suggest 8th August as our internal
>>>>>>>>>                             deadline.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                             Best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                             Rafik
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                             2017-07-25 23:28 GMT+09:00
>>>>>>>>>                             Stefania Milan
>>>>>>>>>                             <stefania.milan at eui.eu
>>>>>>>>>                             <mailto:stefania.milan at eui.eu>>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                                 Hi Matt, thanks. What's the
>>>>>>>>>                                 deadline for this? I am in
>>>>>>>>>                                 transit (and in fact, on
>>>>>>>>>                                 holiday), witch sketchy
>>>>>>>>>                                 internet access and the doc
>>>>>>>>>                                 doesn't open for me today
>>>>>>>>>                                 (might be the poor connection...)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                                 Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                                 On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:17 AM,
>>>>>>>>>                                 Matthew Shears
>>>>>>>>>                                 <matthew at intpolicy.com
>>>>>>>>>                                 <mailto:matthew at intpolicy.com>>
>>>>>>>>>                                 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                                 Let me qualify the last
>>>>>>>>>>                                 sentence - ICANN staff are
>>>>>>>>>>                                 not adding new items in
>>>>>>>>>>                                 addition to the work of the
>>>>>>>>>>                                 DT, but rather adding
>>>>>>>>>>                                 references to work done
>>>>>>>>>>                                 previously.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                                 On 25/07/2017 16:05, Matthew
>>>>>>>>>>                                 Shears wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 Calling all PCers
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 I have started on the above
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 public comment but am still
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 going through the
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 consultation docs. However,
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 time marches on and we need
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 to get this one underway.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 So, please review the
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 consultation docs here:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 https://www.icann.org/public-comments/gnso-op-procedures-2017-06-19-en
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 <https://www.icann.org/public-comments/gnso-op-procedures-2017-06-19-en>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 And make comments in the
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 google doc here:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gydCJ3IFGsptk8BTYa8aQ5lF-ddk_Q9DWja7bZIgsiY/edit
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gydCJ3IFGsptk8BTYa8aQ5lF-ddk_Q9DWja7bZIgsiY/edit>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 Note that ICANN staff have
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 used this opportunity to
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 include other changes that
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 the DT did not discuss.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 Many thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 Matthew
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 -- 
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 Matthew Shears
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 matthew at intpolicy.com
>>>>>>>>>>>                                 <mailto:matthew at intpolicy.com>
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>>>>>>>                             Matthew Shears
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