[NCSG-PC] Fw: Re: Sessions in Johannesburg?

Wed Apr 26 20:14:34 EEST 2017

OK,

After quick offlist chat with Rafik and Farzaneh, I'll request the
morning sessions, only shortening Monday one to 30 minutes to avoid
overlap with opening ceremony, but leave lunch times for NCUC,

Tapani

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 05:52:55PM +0300, Tapani Tarvainen (ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info) wrote:
> 
> Apologies, I missed the attachments. (I'm traveling, reading mail
> with small screen...)
> 
> I'll take a closer look when I get home (in about an hour) but
> I doubt we can get that many sessions...
> 
> -- 
> Tapani Tarvainen
> 
> On Apr 26 10:39, farzaneh badii (farzaneh.badii at gmail.com) wrote:
> 
> > Tapani
> > 
> > Please look closely, both requests have titles and descriptions and agendas
> > are not needed for meeting requests and can be requested at a later stage.
> > I have worked on them and have submitted meeting requests which were
> > praised for being complete., if you don't submit these I will submit as
> > NCUC meetings.
> > 
> > Farzaneh
> > 
> > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:33 AM, Tapani Tarvainen <
> > ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I have not seen even titles or descriptions, let alone agendas
> > > for the multitude of sessions proposed. I won't request meetings
> > > for NCSG without without descriptive title and proper description.
> > > I don't want to request meetings just as placeholders - every
> > > meeting needs to have a definite purpose. Asking for too much
> > > will make things difficult for schedule makers and they won't
> > > reward us for that.
> > >
> > > I don't really see the need for all that many meetings, but
> > > I can make the requests *if* I get good titles and descriptions -
> > > I won't make them up myself.
> > >
> > > Note also that we may not get all we ask and may not get the specific
> > > timeslots we ask for - sessions with flexibility in that regard are
> > > more likely to be accepted.
> > >
> > > Also, I'd rather not have any lunch meetings at all if it can be
> > > helped.
> > >
> > > I plan to request PC meeting with this kind of spec:
> > >
> > > "NCSG Policy Committee meeting, 90 minutes, before Council meeting, no
> > > overlap with any GNSO sessions or PDP WGs, if possible no overlap
> > > with Cross-Community discussions."
> > >
> > > I may not even bother suggesting any specific timeslot as it's
> > > likely to be ignored anyway - if they can come up with any time
> > > that fits those constraints it should be fine.
> > >
> > > In addition I'll request NCSG EC and NCSG FC meetings (with
> > > less restrictive overlap constraints).
> > >
> > > For anything else I'll wait for titles & descriptions and
> > > timeslot constraints. Remember, deadline is tonight.
> > >
> > > Tapani
> > >
> > > On Apr 25 18:00, farzaneh badii (farzaneh.badii at gmail.com) wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > Since I have a lot of time, I have written the NCSG meeting requests for
> > > > Tapani's consideration to submit to  Terri tomorrow. NCUC will
> > > participate
> > > > in all of the NCSG meetings but we might have a couple of informal
> > > meetings
> > > > separate from NCSG, I will ask for nonconflicting meetings.
> > > >
> > > > Note that I have asked for all the meetings to be public and in the email
> > > > to Terri we should be clear that we want meetings for all 4 days and they
> > > > are not just for one day.
> > > >
> > > > Best
> > > >
> > > > Farzaneh
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Matthew Shears <matthew at intpolicy.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > + 1
> > > > >
> > > > > On 25/04/2017 21:35, farzaneh badii wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Martin,  I think these can be  NCSG meetings which include both NCUC
> > > and
> > > > > NPOC. we should say in the description of the meeting that NCSG, as
> > > well as
> > > > > its constituencies, will hold these meetings but strictly talk about
> > > policy
> > > > > and what at the NCSG level we are working on. Based on each day GNSO
> > > > > program I think we could brief the attendees on the issues and our
> > > > > strategies to tackle the issue and also brief them on how we come up
> > > with
> > > > > policies.
> > > > >
> > > > > Farzaneh
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Martin Pablo Silva Valent <
> > > > > mpsilvavalent at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Maybe NPOC can pitch in the outreach session as well, Poncelet can
> > > maybe
> > > > >> bring that idea back if we decide to merge NCSG session with NCUC,
> > > after
> > > > >> all they share some common audience.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Martin
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Apr 25, 2017, at 4:11 PM, Matthew Shears <matthew at intpolicy.com>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I support this approach - thanks!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 25/04/2017 21:04, farzaneh badii wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hi Kathy, all,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Actually  it might make more sense to have NCSG meetings and not have
> > > > >> separate NCUC meetings. Because from the schedule I see, we cannot
> > > possibly
> > > > >> have meetings that do not conflict.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I think Tapani wanted the slots for Outreach policy practice in the
> > > > >> morning. which starts at 8.00 AM. If we can have 1 hour of those
> > > every day
> > > > >> and prepare people for the rest of the day that would be good. We
> > > might
> > > > >> have to just do 30 minutes lunch breaks (as instructed by the planning
> > > > >> team) to either strategize for the afternoon or meet with other
> > > groups.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I talked to EC members and they don't mind merging with NCSG. I might
> > > > >> reserve a 30 minutes lunch break for an informal meeting with some of
> > > the
> > > > >> board memebers but other than that I think we will be ok if NCSG can
> > > submit
> > > > >> :
> > > > >>
> > > > >> One hour morning sessions (outreach and policy strategy)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 30 minutes during lunch breaks
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If Tapani and the rest agree with that I will not ask for separate
> > > time
> > > > >> slots for NCUC.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Farzaneh
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Kathy Kleiman <
> > > kathy at kathykleiman.com>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Observer too to Farzi's important suggestion -- with follow-up.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Quick thought that we might want to have a longer NCUC/NCSG prep
> > > meeting
> > > > >>> (for all NCSG attendees) early on in the meeting. It would be good
> > > to have
> > > > >>> an arc of all the issues in Jo'burg we should be thinking about --
> > > and give
> > > > >>> people some time to think, research and read for a day before
> > > jumping into
> > > > >>> a WG discussion.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> - So 30 minute AM meetings for the daily briefing
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> - Occasional lunch sessions, including one with Board members
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> - An initial hour meeting at the very start (Monday AM?) to provide
> > > an
> > > > >>> arc of the issues we need to work on together in this meeting.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Best, Kathy
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On 4/25/2017 2:19 PM, farzaneh badii wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Hello PC
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Observer here: for NCUC, not to make a very busy schedule
> > > > >>> unnecessarily busier, I will send requests for 30 minutes morning
> > > sessions
> > > > >>> and 45 minutes lunch break sessions. Since I will not be there I
> > > would like
> > > > >>> some of the NCUC members on NCSG PC members to lead the discussions
> > > and
> > > > >>> prepare our members for each day. We might also arrange a 45 minutes
> > > board
> > > > >>> meeting for NCUC during a lunch break.Please keep this in mind before
> > > > >>> submitting your requests, we don't want to have schedule conflicts
> > > with
> > > > >>> NCSG. If you want to also have similar half an hour morning sessions
> > > on
> > > > >>> policy strategy and outreach, let me know perhaps just joining NCSG
> > > meeting
> > > > >>> in the morning is wiser.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Farzaneh
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Tapani Tarvainen <
> > > > >>> ncsg at tapani.tarvainen.info> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> I'm fine with an extra PC session - at least we can ask.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Could somebody come up with a title and description for it?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Deadline is tomorrow, and I'll be traveling most of the day,
> > > > >>>> like today (now in train) - I'll finalize this tomorrow evening.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Tapani
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On Apr 25 17:59, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> > Hi Ayden,
> > > > >>>> >
> > > > >>>> > yes, we can do that. It is at the end a policy forum so
> > > discussing the
> > > > >>>> > scheduled topics and sessions, and planning response to public
> > > > >>>> comments and
> > > > >>>> > positions makes sense.
> > > > >>>> > I assume that should be on the last day so can we have it as kind
> > > of
> > > > >>>> > wrap-up session.
> > > > >>>> > Best,
> > > > >>>> >
> > > > >>>> > Rafik
> > > > >>>> >
> > > > >>>> >
> > > > >>>> >
> > > > >>>> > 2017-04-25 17:21 GMT+09:00 Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>:
> > > > >>>> >
> > > > >>>> > > Resending this, as the PC list dropped off inadvertently.
> > > > >>>> > >
> > > > >>>> > > - Ayden
> > > > >>>> > >
> > > > >>>> > >
> > > > >>>> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > >>>> > > Subject: Re: [NCSG-PC] Sessions in Johannesburg?
> > > > >>>> > > Local Time: 25 April 2017 9:20 AM
> > > > >>>> > > UTC Time: 25 April 2017 08:20
> > > > >>>> > > From: icann at ferdeline.com
> > > > >>>> > > To: Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> > > > >>>> > >
> > > > >>>> > > Hi,
> > > > >>>> > >
> > > > >>>> > > While I am open to meeting with other groups if time permits, I
> > > am
> > > > >>>> > > wondering if it might be more useful having two PC meetings ---
> > > one
> > > > >>>> of
> > > > >>>> > > which could be solely for discussing upcoming public comments,
> > > > >>>> allocating
> > > > >>>> > > them, and formulating our positions?
> > > > >>>> > >
> > > > >>>> > > Best wishes,
> > > > >>>> > >
> > > > >>>> > > Ayden
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