[PC-NCSG] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script Root Zone‬ Label Generation Rules (LGR)

Wed Dec 14 15:47:51 EET 2016

+1 for endorsing Ayden's comment.

Tapani

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 04:00:17PM +0900, Rafik Dammak (rafik.dammak at gmail.com) wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> we got another request for endorsment for public comment. the draft was
> discussed in NCSG list and some edits were done in response.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Rafik
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> Date: 2016-12-14 15:52 GMT+09:00
> Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for
> Lao Script Root Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu
> 
> 
> I am unable to post to the Policy Committee's list, as I am not a member.
> Could someone who is please ask the Policy Committee if they support the
> ratification of the attached statement? Sorry to be unable to join the PC's
> call last night and to ask myself - the call completely slipped my mind.
> Thank you.
> 
> Ayden F?rdeline
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script Root
> Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
> Local Time: 10 December 2016 11:27 PM
> UTC Time: 10 December 2016 23:27
> From: icann at ferdeline.com
> To: "Milan, Stefania" <Stefania.Milan at EUI.EU>
> NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> 
> Thanks for this feedback, Stefania. It is very useful. Taking into account
> your suggestions I have reworded the consultation response slightly. There
> are now just under 30 minutes until the consultation period ends, and I'm
> about to board a plane, so I'm going to submit this comment with a small
> note that it has not yet been endorsed by the NCSG Policy Committee but has
> been reviewed by three members of the Policy Committee. If the PC is
> comfortable supporting this statement after it is submitted, that is
> brilliant ? if not, it will be my personal remarks. I trust this will be
> okay.
> 
> *The Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) welcomes the opportunity to
> comment on the recommendations of the Lao Script Generation Panel (GP)
> which has developed a Proposal for the Lao Script Root Zone Label
> Generation Rules. We have carefully considered the proposal and support its
> integration into the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone. We
> congratulate the GP on its excellent work in developing this proposal, and
> appreciate the diversity and expertise within the GP, which includes
> representatives of the Laos government, registry operation specialists, and
> academics interested in the use of the Lao script in top-level domain
> names. We support enlargement of the root zone to include more character
> sets, because the principles of geographic, linguistic, and cultural
> diversity are both important and relevant to ICANN?s activities. We are
> pleased to see that the GP has given consideration to the potential for
> consumer confusion between visually similar marks in the Lao script and
> other scripts such as Thai, and we trust that a comprehensive mitigation
> plan to avoid said confusion will be in place at the time of
> implementation. Thank you again for inviting our input on your work. We are
> grateful to the GP for this opportunity to share our views. As you move
> forward with your work, we ask that you keep the NCSG updated on your
> progress.*
> 
> Ayden F?rdeline
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script Root
> Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
> Local Time: 10 December 2016 3:12 PM
> UTC Time: 10 December 2016 21:12
> From: Stefania.Milan at EUI.EU
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> 
> Thanks Ayden for doing this. It is greatly appreciated.
> One minor point: would it be possible to make concrete suggestions towards
> a "comprehensive mitigation plan"? Just asking, I wouldn't have a clue
> myself. I realize that this is last minute, though, and that what I suggest
> might require more work...
> Either way, I personally (also as a member of the NCSG Policy Committee)
> support the submission of this public comment on support of our stakeholder
> group.
> Thanks again!
> Best, Stefania
> 
> ________________________________________
> Da: NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> per conto di Ayden
> F?rdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM>
> Inviato: sabato 10 dicembre 2016 18.50.06
> A: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> Oggetto: Re: Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script Root
> Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
> 
> Hi all, please find attached a new draft of this consultation response (the
> text which has changed is in bold for emphasis). Feedback is welcomed:
> The Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) welcomes the opportunity to
> comment on the recommendations of the Lao Script Generation Panel (GP)
> which has developed a Proposal for the Lao Script Root Zone Label
> Generation Rules. We have carefully considered the proposal and support its
> integration into the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone. We
> congratulate the GP on its excellent work in developing this proposal, and
> appreciate the diversity and expertise within the GP, which includes
> representatives of the Laos government, registry operation specialists, and
> academics interested in the use of the Lao script in top-level domain
> names. We support enlargement of the root zone to include more character
> sets, because the principles of geographic, linguistic, and cultural
> diversity are both important and relevant to ICANN?s activities. We are
> pleased to see that the GP has given consideration to the potential for
> consumer confusion between visually similar marks in the Lao script and
> other scripts, however we would encourage the creation of a more
> comprehensive mitigation plan. Thank you again for inviting our input on
> your work. We are grateful to the GP for this opportunity to share our
> views. As you move forward with your work, we ask that you keep the NCSG
> updated on your progress.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Ayden F?rdeline
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline<http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script Root
> Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
> Local Time: 10 December 2016 11:38 AM
> UTC Time: 10 December 2016 17:38
> From: icann at ferdeline.com
> To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO>
> NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>,
> pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org <pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>
> 
> Tapani, hi-
> 
> Thanks for this feedback. I am just rushing to board a flight to Dallas, so
> thought I might quickly send through a revised consultation response. The
> only difference here is the addition of the sentence in bold, which I hope
> addresses the legitimate concerns that you raised. Do you think this is
> adequate? Please note that comments on this consultation close in 12 hours
> time, so I am also c/c'ing the Policy Committee into this email in the
> hopes that it may still be possible to lodge this response, provided it is
> suitable and addresses your concerns (and the concerns of others in the
> NCSG).
> 
> The Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) welcomes the opportunity to
> comment on the recommendations of the Lao Script Generation Panel (GP)
> which has developed a Proposal for the Lao Script Root Zone Label
> Generation Rules. We have carefully considered the proposal and support its
> integration into the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone. We
> congratulate the GP on its excellent work in developing this proposal, and
> appreciate the diversity and expertise within the GP, which includes
> representatives of the Laos government, registry operation specialists, and
> academics interested in the use of the Lao script in top-level domain
> names. We support enlargement of the root zone to include more character
> sets, because the principles of geographic, linguistic, and cultural
> diversity are both important and relevant to ICANN?s activities. We offer,
> however, one word of caution: we encourage the creation of a comprehensive
> mitigation plan with measures to avoid consumer confusion where there are
> visually similar marks between the Lao script and other scripts. Thank you
> again for inviting our input on your work. We are grateful to the GP for
> this opportunity to share our views. As you move forward with your work, we
> ask that you keep the NCSG updated on your progress.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Ayden F?rdeline
> linkedin.com/in/ferdeline<http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script Root
> Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
> Local Time: 2 December 2016 4:30 AM
> UTC Time: 2 December 2016 10:30
> From: ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO
> To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
> 
> Hi Ayden,
> 
> Thanks for picking this up. I'm looking at the proposal waiting
> for next flight towards Mexico, upon very quick reading it seems
> pretty good but a few things caught my eye.
> 
> First, the diphthong treatment: it would seem to leave room for
> potential confusion by allowing same word to appear in multiple
> different forms.
> 
> Now I've forgotten all of the 20 or so words of Lao I once knew and
> don't really know if that's a real danger (are there any Lao speakers
> among us?), but we might want to flag that in some way.
> 
> I was also looking for a mention of Lao numerals, didn't see any,
> not sure if it could be an issue (and too tired to recall or google
> how other variants of Arabic numerals have been treated).
> 
> Another thing I found interesting struck is the analysis of
> cross-script variants: I'm not quite sure their conclusion to avoid
> defining any simply because Thai and Lao code points cannot be mixed
> in a label sufficient - again I'd need a Lao or at least Thai speaker
> to confirm my suspicion but I could imagine an acronym that'd be
> confusingly similar with some font.
> 
> Lacking real expertise I'm not suggesting explicit criticism of any of
> those points, but perhaps language that flags them and commends the
> Lao GP for considering them and noting that such issues are in general
> important and merit thoroughness might work.
> 
> --
> Tapani Tarvainen
> 
> 
> On Dec 01 08:37, Ayden F?rdeline (icann at ferdeline.com) wrote:
> 
> > Greetings all,
> >
> > I have drafted a brief consultation response on behalf of the NCSG in
> relation to the [Proposal for Lao Script Root Zone? Label Generation Rules](
> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/lao-lgr-2016-10-24-en) (LGR).
> Comments can be submitted until 10 December. I consider the proposal to be
> very reasonable and not controversial, so I was thinking we could submit
> the following message of support:
> >
> >
> > The Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) welcomes the opportunity to
> comment on the recommendations of the Lao Script Generation Panel (GP)
> which has developed a Proposal for the Lao Script Root Zone Label
> Generation Rules. We have carefully considered the proposal and support its
> integration into the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone. We
> congratulate the GP on its excellent work in developing this proposal, and
> appreciate the diversity and expertise within the GP, which includes
> representatives of the Laos government, registry operation specialists, and
> academics interested in the use of the Lao script in top-level domain
> names. We support enlargement of the root zone to include more character
> sets, because the principles of geographic, linguistic, and cultural
> diversity are both important and relevant to ICANN?s activities. Thank you
> again for inviting our input on your work. We are grateful to the GP for
> this opportunity to share our views. As you move forward with your work, we
> ask that you keep the NCSG updated on your progress.
> >
> >
> > You can read the consultation documents in full here:
> https://www.icann.org/public-comments/lao-lgr-2016-10-24-en
> >
> > Please feel free to edit my statement, especially if you think I have
> overlooked something. I will forward whatever materials we have to the NCSG
> Policy Committee to consider submitting on behalf of the NCSG on 5
> December, to give them a few days to contemplate submission. Thanks!
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> >
> >
> > Ayden F?rdeline
> > [linkedin.com/in/ferdeline](http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline)
> <http://linkedin.com/in/ferdeline%5D(http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline)>