[PC-NCSG] Fwd: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script Root Zone‬ Label Generation Rules (LGR)

Wed Dec 14 09:00:17 EET 2016

Hi everyone,

we got another request for endorsment for public comment. the draft was
discussed in NCSG list and some edits were done in response.

Best,

Rafik

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From: Ayden F?rdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
Date: 2016-12-14 15:52 GMT+09:00
Subject: Re: [NCSG-Discuss] Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for
Lao Script Root Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
To: NCSG-DISCUSS at listserv.syr.edu

I am unable to post to the Policy Committee's list, as I am not a member.
Could someone who is please ask the Policy Committee if they support the
ratification of the attached statement? Sorry to be unable to join the PC's
call last night and to ask myself - the call completely slipped my mind.
Thank you.

Ayden F?rdeline
linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script Root
Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
Local Time: 10 December 2016 11:27 PM
UTC Time: 10 December 2016 23:27
From: icann at ferdeline.com
To: "Milan, Stefania" <Stefania.Milan at EUI.EU>
NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU

Thanks for this feedback, Stefania. It is very useful. Taking into account
your suggestions I have reworded the consultation response slightly. There
are now just under 30 minutes until the consultation period ends, and I'm
about to board a plane, so I'm going to submit this comment with a small
note that it has not yet been endorsed by the NCSG Policy Committee but has
been reviewed by three members of the Policy Committee. If the PC is
comfortable supporting this statement after it is submitted, that is
brilliant ? if not, it will be my personal remarks. I trust this will be
okay.

*The Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) welcomes the opportunity to
comment on the recommendations of the Lao Script Generation Panel (GP)
which has developed a Proposal for the Lao Script Root Zone Label
Generation Rules. We have carefully considered the proposal and support its
integration into the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone. We
congratulate the GP on its excellent work in developing this proposal, and
appreciate the diversity and expertise within the GP, which includes
representatives of the Laos government, registry operation specialists, and
academics interested in the use of the Lao script in top-level domain
names. We support enlargement of the root zone to include more character
sets, because the principles of geographic, linguistic, and cultural
diversity are both important and relevant to ICANN?s activities. We are
pleased to see that the GP has given consideration to the potential for
consumer confusion between visually similar marks in the Lao script and
other scripts such as Thai, and we trust that a comprehensive mitigation
plan to avoid said confusion will be in place at the time of
implementation. Thank you again for inviting our input on your work. We are
grateful to the GP for this opportunity to share our views. As you move
forward with your work, we ask that you keep the NCSG updated on your
progress.*

Ayden F?rdeline
linkedin.com/in/ferdeline <http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script Root
Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
Local Time: 10 December 2016 3:12 PM
UTC Time: 10 December 2016 21:12
From: Stefania.Milan at EUI.EU
To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU

Thanks Ayden for doing this. It is greatly appreciated.
One minor point: would it be possible to make concrete suggestions towards
a "comprehensive mitigation plan"? Just asking, I wouldn't have a clue
myself. I realize that this is last minute, though, and that what I suggest
might require more work...
Either way, I personally (also as a member of the NCSG Policy Committee)
support the submission of this public comment on support of our stakeholder
group.
Thanks again!
Best, Stefania

________________________________________
Da: NCSG-Discuss <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU> per conto di Ayden
F?rdeline <icann at FERDELINE.COM>
Inviato: sabato 10 dicembre 2016 18.50.06
A: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU
Oggetto: Re: Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script Root
Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)

Hi all, please find attached a new draft of this consultation response (the
text which has changed is in bold for emphasis). Feedback is welcomed:
The Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) welcomes the opportunity to
comment on the recommendations of the Lao Script Generation Panel (GP)
which has developed a Proposal for the Lao Script Root Zone Label
Generation Rules. We have carefully considered the proposal and support its
integration into the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone. We
congratulate the GP on its excellent work in developing this proposal, and
appreciate the diversity and expertise within the GP, which includes
representatives of the Laos government, registry operation specialists, and
academics interested in the use of the Lao script in top-level domain
names. We support enlargement of the root zone to include more character
sets, because the principles of geographic, linguistic, and cultural
diversity are both important and relevant to ICANN?s activities. We are
pleased to see that the GP has given consideration to the potential for
consumer confusion between visually similar marks in the Lao script and
other scripts, however we would encourage the creation of a more
comprehensive mitigation plan. Thank you again for inviting our input on
your work. We are grateful to the GP for this opportunity to share our
views. As you move forward with your work, we ask that you keep the NCSG
updated on your progress.

Best wishes,

Ayden F?rdeline
linkedin.com/in/ferdeline<http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script Root
Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
Local Time: 10 December 2016 11:38 AM
UTC Time: 10 December 2016 17:38
From: icann at ferdeline.com
To: Tapani Tarvainen <ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO>
NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU <NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU>,
pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org <pc-ncsg at ipjustice.org>

Tapani, hi-

Thanks for this feedback. I am just rushing to board a flight to Dallas, so
thought I might quickly send through a revised consultation response. The
only difference here is the addition of the sentence in bold, which I hope
addresses the legitimate concerns that you raised. Do you think this is
adequate? Please note that comments on this consultation close in 12 hours
time, so I am also c/c'ing the Policy Committee into this email in the
hopes that it may still be possible to lodge this response, provided it is
suitable and addresses your concerns (and the concerns of others in the
NCSG).

The Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) welcomes the opportunity to
comment on the recommendations of the Lao Script Generation Panel (GP)
which has developed a Proposal for the Lao Script Root Zone Label
Generation Rules. We have carefully considered the proposal and support its
integration into the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone. We
congratulate the GP on its excellent work in developing this proposal, and
appreciate the diversity and expertise within the GP, which includes
representatives of the Laos government, registry operation specialists, and
academics interested in the use of the Lao script in top-level domain
names. We support enlargement of the root zone to include more character
sets, because the principles of geographic, linguistic, and cultural
diversity are both important and relevant to ICANN?s activities. We offer,
however, one word of caution: we encourage the creation of a comprehensive
mitigation plan with measures to avoid consumer confusion where there are
visually similar marks between the Lao script and other scripts. Thank you
again for inviting our input on your work. We are grateful to the GP for
this opportunity to share our views. As you move forward with your work, we
ask that you keep the NCSG updated on your progress.

Best wishes,

Ayden F?rdeline
linkedin.com/in/ferdeline<http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline>

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Proposed Consultation Response - Proposal for Lao Script Root
Zone? Label Generation Rules (LGR)
Local Time: 2 December 2016 4:30 AM
UTC Time: 2 December 2016 10:30
From: ncsg at TAPANI.TARVAINEN.INFO
To: NCSG-DISCUSS at LISTSERV.SYR.EDU

Hi Ayden,

Thanks for picking this up. I'm looking at the proposal waiting
for next flight towards Mexico, upon very quick reading it seems
pretty good but a few things caught my eye.

First, the diphthong treatment: it would seem to leave room for
potential confusion by allowing same word to appear in multiple
different forms.

Now I've forgotten all of the 20 or so words of Lao I once knew and
don't really know if that's a real danger (are there any Lao speakers
among us?), but we might want to flag that in some way.

I was also looking for a mention of Lao numerals, didn't see any,
not sure if it could be an issue (and too tired to recall or google
how other variants of Arabic numerals have been treated).

Another thing I found interesting struck is the analysis of
cross-script variants: I'm not quite sure their conclusion to avoid
defining any simply because Thai and Lao code points cannot be mixed
in a label sufficient - again I'd need a Lao or at least Thai speaker
to confirm my suspicion but I could imagine an acronym that'd be
confusingly similar with some font.

Lacking real expertise I'm not suggesting explicit criticism of any of
those points, but perhaps language that flags them and commends the
Lao GP for considering them and noting that such issues are in general
important and merit thoroughness might work.

--
Tapani Tarvainen

On Dec 01 08:37, Ayden F?rdeline (icann at ferdeline.com) wrote:

> Greetings all,
>
> I have drafted a brief consultation response on behalf of the NCSG in
relation to the [Proposal for Lao Script Root Zone? Label Generation Rules](
https://www.icann.org/public-comments/lao-lgr-2016-10-24-en) (LGR).
Comments can be submitted until 10 December. I consider the proposal to be
very reasonable and not controversial, so I was thinking we could submit
the following message of support:
>
>
> The Non-Commercial Stakeholders Group (NCSG) welcomes the opportunity to
comment on the recommendations of the Lao Script Generation Panel (GP)
which has developed a Proposal for the Lao Script Root Zone Label
Generation Rules. We have carefully considered the proposal and support its
integration into the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone. We
congratulate the GP on its excellent work in developing this proposal, and
appreciate the diversity and expertise within the GP, which includes
representatives of the Laos government, registry operation specialists, and
academics interested in the use of the Lao script in top-level domain
names. We support enlargement of the root zone to include more character
sets, because the principles of geographic, linguistic, and cultural
diversity are both important and relevant to ICANN?s activities. Thank you
again for inviting our input on your work. We are grateful to the GP for
this opportunity to share our views. As you move forward with your work, we
ask that you keep the NCSG updated on your progress.
>
>
> You can read the consultation documents in full here:
https://www.icann.org/public-comments/lao-lgr-2016-10-24-en
>
> Please feel free to edit my statement, especially if you think I have
overlooked something. I will forward whatever materials we have to the NCSG
Policy Committee to consider submitting on behalf of the NCSG on 5
December, to give them a few days to contemplate submission. Thanks!
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> Ayden F?rdeline
> [linkedin.com/in/ferdeline](http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline)
<http://linkedin.com/in/ferdeline%5D(http://www.linkedin.com/in/ferdeline)>

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